Holgate and Firmino incident !

Firmino isn't exactly veal-like in colour anyway.

 

ironically it was a lip-reader, just as in the Terry case, who alerted the FA and swore blind that Wright had been called a '****ing black bastard'. It never got to investigation though as Wenger, of all people, put pressure on Wright to withdraw the complaint (that he'd never actually put in himself) and ask the FA to stop any investigation.

That couldn't happen now, as the Terry case proves.

 

Not sure what that means - are you referring to Bobby's mixed race heritage? Perhaps we should use the Fistian defence of Rio in that case, which was a black player (he never quite defined how black you have to be) can never racially abuse another 'black' player.

 

Watch holgate, he’s clearly not made it up because he’s reaction is genuine and he’s incensed by it.

So there two things.

1) Firm used a racial word/phrase at him
2) its a massive misunderstanding.

I think everyone (lfc & efc fans) are hoping its te later for sake of the game

 

Watch Holgate's teammates - they clearly haven't heard a bloody thing until Rooney has a (deliberately concealed) word with them.

 

more or less. I think kenny heard holgate shouting it at the ref and then reacted. He never moved until the second time holgate says it. Rooney deffo has a word with him after that.

If he's a witness and he's used the hang firmino its a travesty. For me he'd would be a complete liar if he says he heard it.

my view is holgates the only one actually looking right at firmino and engaging. He's trying to get firmino tho thump him imo.

kenny is not looking at fimrino and niether is ref or lallana... not in that last second as those two words are uttered. they are all more focused on hauling lads out.

IMO If the lads lies he's only damaging his own team mates case.

 

I agree. the only question is what were the last words said after the puta as kenny's head obscures the camerea

IMO the reaction is genuine.

 

Just hope for both the players and the club's it gets sorted out soon and we move on.

Just been thinking though how fast Klopp dropped Sakho after he stepped out of line and his ultimate departure, IF Firmino is found guilty would Klopp treat him in the same manner as Sakho(a non person)or would he keep him under the guise of rehabilitating him?

 

Think FSG would step in mate. They were embarrassed badly last time (A lot of their own making tbf)

If he's found clearly guilty I think he'll be gone asap

 

I think that depends on outcome.

a) sakho went on preseason tour. He was sent home and never given another chance
b) sakho took unperscribed drugs endangering the clubs name and the season

c) firmino reacted in a footballing situation and maybe only called a guy a son of a bitch/whore.
d) klopp only answered questions on Brewster the week prior. He couldn't defend a racist comment on the one hand and keep his position on brewster on the other.
e) firmino got done for drink driving as well... not great image that.
f) we don't know if theres any real evidence that we can say proves things either way.

So IF firmino was found guilty with a camera angle or recording of words to prove it I'd see no real option for klopp but to deal harshly with the guy.

We must remember point e. it'd be strike 2 at minimum.

Point f is the core issue. Without evidence a finding of guilt on the part of the FA would be most serious. The head of that equality thing has basically said suarez lied so by extension anything firmino says as a denial is prob a lie.

If firmino laid out holgate he'd be better off right now.

 

Difference is Firmino was provoked into saying something offensive and did it in the heat of the moment

Sakho was just generally liable to pissing around, misbehaving and in Klopp's eyes being a general nuisance without any extenuating circumstances

If it does turn out Firmino has racially abused Holgate then he'll rightfully be in trouble

 

Who is asking Bobby to confess? He either did or didn’t say it, this isn’t Birmingham six style interrogation.

If it’s misheard then that’s what it was, a joint statement to put an end to it all.

 

One a homaphobe......

 

So you have ruled out the possibility that he lied to get out of/ get bobby in trouble?

 

First it was the Colgate and Firmino incident, now the Holgate's and Firmino incident.

What next?

 

Trollgate, probably.

 

Obviously he lied, put on a show and grabbed the ref as part of his plan. Apart from escaping a maximum three game ban, what did he have to gain from possibly lying. Well Grabing the ref could get him in deep trouble, so not a good part of his plan.

He risks tarnishing his epic contribution to the World Cup win and his future in the PL.....so cash then does become an issue. He also makes it more difficult for people who are abused to come forward, maybe even for himself.

So, he did all this possibly to get an opposition player in trouble and himself out of trouble.....

 

Absolutely - Ouseley is trying to put pressure on the FA and buttress Hogate's position if, as seems entirely possible on all the reports so far, there's not one iota of evidence to support Holgate's claim. The elevation of Sinclair into some sort of figure of moral turpitude in comparison to Luis and Terry is ****ing laughable - he was caught racially abusing a policeman when being stopped for drink - driving:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...cially-abused-policeman-caught-drink-driving/

He didn't 'confess' because he was morally upstanding - he was bang to rights. he still managed to play the race card in mitigation though...

Nevertheless, your other point is true - if any Liverpool player after the Suarez case is done for racism they should be out, strike one or not. After that happened the club told all its players the score, and I'd be astonished if players who joined after like Bobby weren't contractually made aware of it. If he's done it I should hope he never kicks a ball for the club again. There is no middle ground.

 

No, just the second bit. But as to your contention otherwise, mildly sarcastic as it tries to be (I'm presuming you didn't go for humour, as there isn't any evident), let me take your whole statement and equally ask why Bobby would have racially abused him given all he has to lose? Heat of the moment and a mad, irrational rush? Well, that cuts both ways you know?

 

So you are ruling it out as an option then?