Holgate and Firmino incident !

I'm glad you noticed that
I was wondering if anyone would.

very interesting video...

I wish the final couple of words firmino said were known.

it's clear other than that no racist comment was made.

I'm still waiting for another camera angle. I know the hacks behind the goal were taking pics so if one has a stream of shots of say you can see well enough.

basically to make an n sound you've got to make a certain mouth shape and I really don't think firmino did.

 

so.. on the clearest video you can see above fat kenny's head. firmino says something that looks like he raises his eyebrows and the word does look like it ended in an r like holgate claims but it's not clear. holgate reacts to this.

any videos from reverse side?

 

You can see EVERY word Firmino mouths until Holgate 'reacts'. The obscured part of what Bobby said is a red-herring as it is AFTER the point that Holgate decides to react. Again, the immediate assumption, quickly discounted, was that Firmino spat at him. But every word that Bobby utters (and has been lip-read by the MIrror) is available to the point that Holgate reacts.

Still doesn't totally prove Bobby's innocence though: therefore he's guilty as charged.

 

I can't see that.

 

The sound 'r', as in puta, as has been confirmed by the Mirror lip reader.

 

mate I've paused it and when firmino is saying put a holgate is just being the big man.

honest to god firmino's mouth is covered by Kenny saying asking. two words... just as holgate jaw drops.

 

Doesn't disprove the #racist words Firmino spoke without moving his lips that only FA ventriloquists can detect

 

no sorry mate I meant to say it does not look like an r. kenny's head moves off and holgate is already grabbing ref.

 

How can you tell it's two words then?

 

And he watched 6 angles and saw no evidence of "two missing words"

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/lip-reader-analyses-roberto-firmino-11809382

 

this angle is from rear

can you tell from that what the crucial word is.... you can see firmino's mouth move but barely.

 

The Mirror lip-reader who saw it from four different clips did.

Edit: six (thank you Astro).

 

well he's a moron then cos if you'd bother to look you would clearly see there are two words after puta as he is backed off.

 

my problem with this is if Firm used a racial epithet how did Holgate hear it & not the ref who was between them. One conclusion is that Holgate did it not from what he heard but the mouth movements which if Firm was still in full on Portugese mode won't relate to recognisable shapes to Holgate.

 

right... I can tell one thing from these videos.


Kenny does not react one iota until holgate is shouting what he thinks he has been called AFTER holgate grabs the ref. thats I think the second time he was saying it.

so for me Kenny never heard it first time and if you note it's the senior Everton players Rooney and jagielka pumping the ref.

as donga said we can see Rooney having a word mouth covered after with kenny.

for me.. no way that lad heard the n word and didn't react. he only reacted when holgate said it.

 

That's just plain silly.

 

Jeez, I hope the FA go to lip-reading Portuguese-speaker who sees it from six angles then, rather than you. I wouldn't bank on it though - depends on what decision the FA have already come to before they start amassing the evidence to support it.

 

That's some sense - so you won't be on the FA committee after all.