Holgate and Firmino incident !

But, and in answer to Tobes too, who iis the 'perceived victim' here? Who is being 'Victim blamed'? If the claims are proved to be bogus, then I maintain Bobby is the victim on two counts: he was violently and dangerously assaulted, and then he was accused of a vile act so that the perpetrator could avoid punishment. There is no middle ground.

 

Sadly that point seems lost on a few on here.

 

I am still unsure what happened. But from calm to crazy seems he thinks something was said. If it was a misunderstanding, I hope so, that it was resolved at HT, I hope so. But some here believe it was a thing done to escape punishment for a push.

 

And you are being wilfully naïve, at best. Study the video again Tobes, and at just what point does Holgate decide he's been racially abused? At a point that any player just about to be carded realises the ref is about to turn to him, undoubtedly. An act to deliberately get Bobby trouble? No, of course not. An act to get himself out of trouble and to hell with what happens to Bobby? Most ****ing definitely.

 

I was led to believe it was dealt with at HT and was a simple misunderstanding.

I don't know if true but the media certainly have an agenda here for keeping it going.

 

You going on video evidence only? Or the bit where Kenny blocks the camera view, the point Mason goes mad?

You seem intent on it because my I he race card played. Let’s see what the report says.

 

To escape punishment for a calculated act of violence that could easily have seriously injured an opponent. It wasn't a Lovren push - the kid knew exactly what he doing in a fit of pique as Bobby was shielding the ball from him after he'd lost control of it. HE was 'off his tits', to borrow Tobes' phrase.

 

The HT thing is press rumours. If it was sorted then a joint press conference with them shaking hands would be a good way to end. Then you can all go on about how Holgate should be hung for pushing.

 

Off his tits enough to pull the premeditated race card?

 

So, if you get in, shield the ball and slow down to draw a push.....it’s a foul?

 

Or you lot can go on about how he shouldn't be punished as it wasn't malicious lol.

 

I'm going on the evidence available so far. Remember, Suarez was condemned for repeating a word repeatedly after that which he had admitted even though there was not one iota of evidence to support that claim. You're doing the same thing now - Bobby must have done something we didn't see or hear for Holgate to react like that. The deck is being loaded again.

 

People are hypocrites - users on this site are hypocrites (some)
It is fine for the majority of you to refer to Sam as Fat Sam and you see nothing wrong with it

I have dealt with obese people all my life and it is every bit as psychologically damaging as racism. Mainly young teen girls are badly effected and regularly choose to end there own lives over it.

I had a friend back in Burnley who was harassed over being ginger for 19 years who sadly eventually took his own life.

Bullying takes all forms

yet in society somehow it is deemed acceptable to allow some forms

Some appear to being saying that the violent act which has lead to this debate is fine - just a red card suffices. - wrong if we are being EQUAL.

What holgate did has been made worse by firmino s reaction however that does not mean he should be let off

Nobody is perfect holgate has been allowed to let his misdemeanours go from when he was 15.

If we are clamping down it all has to be equal
Same in the Suarez situation, you can’t start a fight then throw in the race card (not saying that has been done here as I don’t know)

Interestingly recently in America a group of children have been expelled from a school for singing along to a black rappers song. The lyrics included the ‘n’ word as apparently that is acceptable but it was not acceptable for white/Hispanic/Chinese/Muslim/Jewish person to sing along.

Just in the same way that evra - who played the race card was found to have used the word himself after swearing he found the word abhorrent.

As in the last situation the media have blown everything up and the best bit this time is no ones knows if anything was said at all - it is all guess work

That is priceless

 

I’m still not sure if you’re wumming or being serious about the 3 game ban for violent conduct.

If its a wum, it’s a bit dull now
id you’re serious then I worry about you mito.

 

From what I have seen given now days yes.

It's a load of bollocks but seen it given.

 

he was shielding the ball out of play because Holgate touched it last. Keep up.

 

No tbh it's just a low opinion of the fa and what they do to take the easy option and be seen to do something.

 

Absolutely.

It's very clear that when the ball goes out holgate shoves firmino hard out of petulance.

The lad is a thick ****. That's not in question but now the media and the story is he is just the victim. I really don't think his shove will be punished, the da just won't for fear of being accused of supporting racism.

Not that there was any.

 

I think the middle ground is that it was a misunderstanding. Hopefully all will out soon

 

Forgot to and disability but bang on solid