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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Swansea City

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  1. Spurf

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    Kane just gets better all the time. Comes on with a cold on a horrible night on a pitch starting to look like the 60's and produces a world class pass for Dele to score a special goal. Just WOW! First Bale and now Kane. Spurs is where it's at.
     
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    Just watched MOTD. No mention of the push on Dele. No mention of the not offside flagged by the assistant ref. But I was very surprised Keown didn’t think that Sanchez should have got the first yellow. He had better watch his step or he will be taken off air
     
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  3. Diego

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    Really surprised you dragged Harry out of his sick bed and threw in on in a storm on a ploughed field, just shows the pressure you were under I suppose.
     
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    We needed the 3 points and if plan Llorente didn't work..Harry would have been needed. Got an assist tonight, not bad for a ill man.
     
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  5. Diego

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    Hope for your sake it doesn't mean he misses the next 2 or 3 matches with a relapse.
     
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    Doubt it, he's not Sturridge
     
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  7. Citizen Kane

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    He was excellent against Huddersfield and superb against Real. That's about it.

    He just looks totally short of confidence, as if Aurier's arrival knocked the stuffing out of him. I could understand him feeling that way back in August but since then Aurier hasn't exactly set the league alight and the door has very much been wide open for Trippier to seize the opportunity and make the RB spot his own. The sad fact is that if anyone is closing that door, it's Kieran himself.
     
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  8. Summed up perfectly in one sentence :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  10. The RDBD

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    Of course here's the important stat for the season

    Offside goals for: 1
    Offside goals against: 3
     
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  12. The RDBD

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    Is there a source of such stats for PL clubs this season ??

    Other than that, Swansea are suffering from the classic
    malaise of a relegation-threatened team : fortune never
    seems to go in your favour.
     
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  13. Roo

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    I’ll take your word for that, as I genuinely can’t remember. Or maybe it’s because not even those performances stood out for me.

    I think you’ve summed things up well with that assessment. I also don’t think he’s helped by the fact that Davies was quite a similar player, but has noticeably pushed on this season, making it look worse for Trippier.
    I’ve got nothing against the guy, but he’s also been exposed by the void left by Kyle Walker. Whilst many (including myself) got frustrated at times with walkers generally poor delivery, what he offered the team over 90 minutes more than made up for the few weaknesses he had by the time he left us.
    Trippier has also had more game time since walkers departure, and sadly it’s exposed him. What many of us thought was a progressing wingback who offered a different dimension, is now looking like a player with only one dimension.

    I think the reality is that he’s not a top 4 wingback player. He’s a decent premier league defender who can play as a wingback when needed, but not the standard we need in a very competitive group of 6 teams at the top.
     
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    Off the top of my head...

    Offside goals for City: 3 (1 vs Watford, 1 vs Arsenal, 1 vs us)
    Offside goals against City: 0

    Offside goals for Arsenal: 3 (1 vs stoke, 2 vs us)
    Offside goals against Arsenal: 1 (vs Man City)

    Offside goals for Chelsea: 2 (1 vs Leicester, 1 vs West Scam)
    Offside goals against Chelsea: 0

    Offside goals for Liverpool: 2 (1 vs Bournemouth, 1 vs Burnley)
    Offside goals against Liverpool: 1 (vs Watford)

    Offside goals for Man Utd: 1 (vs Leicester)
    Offside goals against Man Utd: 0

    It's almost worth making a table...
     
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  15. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I swear there's an agenda against Trippier on this forum lol.

    For me, he's only had one dreadful game and that was City, which is hardly surprising given the form they're in.

    Not that they're the be all and end all for fullbacks, but when considering only Azpilicueta has more assists at fullback than Tripps in the Prem (and let's also take into account that due to rotation Tripps has probably played about 5-6 games less) I really don't see what more people want from him. His defensive game has improved, he's chipping in with assists and he's had some absolute blinding games against the likes of Real, Liverpool and Huddersfield.

    Aurier's arrival and current upturn in form has no doubt affected Trippier mentally, as it must be tough having the thought of dropping back to second choice again but I really don't think he's been as bad as some suggest, far from it in fact.
     
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    He is suffering a lot from the Wembley busparquet.
    Walker had pace, which meant he could at least try
    and skin the opponent.

    Trippier does not have that option, so the passing/
    movement has to make the space for him (which
    has often been slow and sideways) .
     
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    It’s not about him having dreadful games though. Every player suffers from those from time to time. It’s about him having good games. Those should be more frequent, but Trippier’s are few and far between.

    I frequently see the “assist” stats mentioned. But I struggle to understand how that outweighs everything else that’s required in a 90 minute game.
    I’m unsure whether Walker got as many assists as Trippier last season, but would anyone disagree that Walker was a far superior player?

    There’s something really lacking IMO. The fact that not a single attack took place down the right hand side in the first 20 minutes (at least) of last nights game, yet about a dozen or so we’re attempted down the left is very telling.
     
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  18. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Trippier's had plenty of good games though, this is what I'm not understanding with yours and other's criticisim. He's only had one out and out bad game, which was City, maybe you could say Arsenal as well but then in both games the whole team was **** so it's hardly fair to just solely focus blame on him. Then he's had a period of games of being solid but unspectacular and then a few where he's been exceptional - which you seem to fail to acknowledge. That's been the same level to most of our XI barring Davies and Kane who've practically been great in most.

    No one's said Trippier is better than Walker but I fail to see the point in comparing the two when both relied on different attributes. What is it Trippier is doing so badly in his game that you're not happy with to the point where the assists are somewhat being discredited? Surely in this modern era where FBs are essentially the new wingers, assists are a pivotal part to their game? His defending has improved, rarely wastes a pass or gets caught out in possession, gets assists... I seriously don't see what more he can do.

    Last night it made sense to focus attacks on the left flank, we had Son's pace up against an ageing RB who hadn't started a Prem game. Plus, in front of Tripps was an Erik Lamela who's still trying to find his feet after a long injury, it's no real surprise that we focused more on the left side.
     
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  19. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    I've few problems with Kieran Trippier. We're fortunate to have someone like him that is prepared to fight against other top right backs to get on the pitch. If KWP was a better option, does anyone think that MP wouldn't pick him?

    Last night we had no HK up front and very little by way of a central midfield beyond eric Dier - no Mousa, Vic, Sissoko or Winksy. I would expect us to try and keep it tight at the back, which we did pretty well until Sanchez had to be subbed off and they had no option but to go for it.

    Job done. Another away win on a foul night against a team with a new manager. Alright with me.

    Less Alright is this bollocks from Dermot Gallagher.....

    http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/01/03/gallagher-tottenhams-sanchez-should-have-seen-red/

    HE DIDN'T SEND HIM OFF BECAUSE, BY THEN, HE WILL HAVE KNOWN THAT THE FIRST BOOKING WAS A CROCK OF **** AND HE WAS TRYING TO AVOID UNNECESSARY PUNISHMENT TO CLUB AND PLAYER. No, it's not in the rules but it happens all the time. He probably let Ayew through on goal from an offside position for the same reason - trying to even up the score. Whether it's right or wrong, ignoring it is pointless, Dermot. A bit like you.
     
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  20. Roo

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    I mentioned earlier that no performance from him this season has stood out, for me. Its not that I’m failing to acknowledge them as if there’s some agenda against him, but just the fact that they aren’t obvious to me.
    I’d also add that until recently, I was questioning the performances of Alli over 90 minutes, also stating that despite his assists, there was a lot of performances that weren’t good enough.

    Both Walker and Trippier may have different attributes, but the role they both play actually requires many aspects that a player in that position needs to be able to do regularly, even if there are some strengths and weaknesses within that over all player.
    Wing backs in the modern game need to be athletic, fast, strong, be able hold a wide position to create space centrally, make overlapping runs, defend solidly and be able to make up ground if needs be, take on defenders one on one, play through balls to other attackers making wider runs (or make them themselves), as well as more that I can’t think of off the top of my head. If a wing back possesses most of these attributes alone, they will naturally cause their marker to think about nullifying said wingback, before they even consider how they play their own game against them. That potentially eliminates 2 opposition players from a game. Which we saw over and over again last season with rose and Walker causing havoc.

    Trippier isn’t particularly athletic, has no pace, isnt very strong, often makes over lapping runs too late from too deeper a position (when he actually does them), can’t make up ground due to a lack of pace, never takes his marker on, and rarely plays through balls.
    However, he is good at crossing, he’s pretty decent defensively, and holds the wide position well.

    The problem though, is with many of those skills lacking, its no wonder we see him “rarely wasting a pass”, as you say, as he’s usually passing it 5-10 yards backwards inside, because he’s unable to do much else because of the skills he lacks. He literally needs the ball on a plate in space (often switched from the opposite side of the pitch before the defence has had chance to move across and mark him) so he can then put a cross in. Anything involved in a build up to that same scenario on his own side and he is rarely able to do so on his own or with another right sided player like Walker used to. We used to see Walker hold a wide position, play a 1-2, then get in behind and stick a cross in. We really miss that IMO, as well as the threat of an athletic beast just running at the defenders on their own and making their own success. Trippier isn’t that player, and I think it outweighs the success that his assists bring. But it’s just my opinion mate.

    As I said, he’s a decent player, but I think a top 4-6 side requires more than someone who can put crosses in and defend pretty well most of the time. The wing backs have become two of the most important players on the pitch in the modern game and need to be extremely dynamic and a genuine threat in many different ways. I just don’t think Trippier is.
     
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