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Would you welcome Craig Bellamy back to Anfield .???

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by LuisDiazgamechanger, Aug 23, 2011.

  1. Elpistoleros magic feet

    Elpistoleros magic feet New Member

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    Adam Morgan is too young, he's only 16. Neither he or Raheem Sterling whom I tip to both make it, won't see much of the first team for at least until next season at the earliest, both have to perform in the reserves and not only that, they have to prove they are too good for the reserves. They have to follow the example set by John Flanagan and Jack Robinson whom played little or no reserve football.
     
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  2. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    You never win anything with kids eh? :D

    Not suggesting he should be fast tracked into the starting 11 but why not have a young impact player on the bench occasionally? Yes we need more cover up front but for me Bellamy ain't the answer. Personally given a choice between the two I'd rather have Morgan there than him is all I'm saying.
     
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  3. Zingy

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    Adam Morgan scored in a big run of games last season, I think he could progress quite a lot this season. Maybe not just yet but when he turns 18 in April he will be knocking on the first teams door.
     
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    Elpistoleros magic feet New Member

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    I was never saying Bellamy is the answer, he's not, he's as mad as a box of frogs. All I was saying is its a little bit early for Adam Morgan, he's got to prove he's too good for the reserves and continue in the same vein for the reserves as he did at under 18s. Thats what let Lauri Delle Valle down, he blasted his way through the under 18s and struggled when he made the transition to the reserves. Some players blast their way through one level and struggle at the next level,( Delle Valle, Nemeth),some blast their way through two levels and don't make it at the final step, (Mellor), and then others just treat each level exactly the same and thrive in each (Fowler, Owen) I just hope Morgan is more Fowler than Mellor.
     
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  5. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    Which kind of begs the question as to whether a player like Delle Valle or Mellor might of benefitted from a few first team games at a younger age but Morgans a more natural player than them anyway. I can't argue with your point though, I realise he needs a bit longer I just don't want him shunted down the queue by Bellamy :D Glad we agree on that
     
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  6. suarezlfc

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    Thing is though, Bellamy would be a short term solution; 2 seasons at best. If we got someone younger, they could be here for at least 4-5 years (like Dirk), which would actually hamper the likes of Morgan more.
    If Bellamy (or someone of his age) came in for a couple of seasons, Morgan would be 18 when they left and arguably ready for the squad. He'd be 20/21 by the time a space opened up if we got someone in their mid 20s, if not even older. A lot of things can change though, but I do see the sense in going for an older, short term solution for now.
     
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  7. Elpistoleros magic feet

    Elpistoleros magic feet New Member

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    Billy Elpistolero.
    Read my post again. Delle Valle blasted his way through the under 18s and when it came to the reserves struggled and that was the reserves. He would have struggled more if he had got to the first team.
    Nemeth was another one that blasted through the under 18s and struggled through the reserves. Mellor flourished at youth and reserve level, he had an astronomical reserve scoring record but didn't cut it at the top.
    However on the other hand I can see your point about players not being given a chance at a young age to possibly make a claim and there is actually an example. How many people on here remember a Liverpool striker called Craig Lindfield? He got one run-out for the first team, he was another that was a scoring sensation for the youth/reserves but after one game for the first team pre-season was never seen again.
    It would be terrible if something similar were to happen to Adam Morgan, I was unsure about him when I saw him first on LFCTV, but towards the end of last season when he was on that great scoring run I think it was 12 consecutive games or something, he was impressive.
    There is pros and cons, If it were me, I wouldn't touch Bellamy with a barge pole, he's more trouble than he's worth, the squad doesn't need disruptions.
     
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  8. THE FOOL

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    for a fourth choice striker and possible cover for the wings, i dont see why we wouldnt take a punt. it would all depend on his wage and attitude. If we are to get cover it has to be somebody very young, which we have in morgan, but he shouldnt be rushed, what if carrol and suarez got injured and we had to depend on the lad for a month, if it went badly it could destroy a very good prospect. Better to introduce him slowly, with no pressure. However we could have bellamy on a 12-24 month contract, keep the bench warm, but has experience if we needed him to shoulder the burden for a couple of weeks.

    The major question with Bellamy is has he mellowed with age or is he still a Loon.
     
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  9. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    I did read your post mate that's why I agreed with most of it <ok>

    Football is littered with players who don't quite make it but not all footballers are the same or develop at the same age or rate. Some players can handle pressure at a young age although the vast majority either can't handle it or let it go to their heads but just because the last one or two didn't cut the mustard doesn't mean the next ones won't succeed.

    If Sterling plays against Exeter for example will he have been thrown in too young? I don't think so but others will disagree. You can bet your life if he plays a blinder then there'll be plenty of debate about how far he can go.

    Ps...I remember Lingfield he was a good prospect and really did look like he could make it at one stage
     
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    I'd have thought the long answer would have been Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
     
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    No to much of an ego problem and he causes problems and his age and the list goes on
    I rate him as a player but NO THANKS
     
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  12. Ze

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    Bellamy is too old, seems to suit Cardiff at the moment, has bad blood with some remaining players in the squad and is too old. He would class as a stop gap, and we've specifically said we won't be signing stop gaps.
     
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  13. suarezlfc

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    But it's a bit different with the forward position. He wouldn't be a stop gap until we brought someone better in (as Konchesky basically was), but until someone like Morgan came through. Bellamy has played at the top level too, unlike a Konchesky.
    The thing is, we've got Carragher at the back for that experience and know how to help others through, Gerrard in the middle, but nobody really up front (unless you count Kuyt.)
    So he might be a 'stop gap' but there's more to it than that.
     
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  14. jck200

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    Cardiff fan,

    No idea who placed big bets on Bellamy as we have always been odds on to take him.

    Mancini came out and said it would be a good move if he went to Celtic, Bellamy made a statement on that right away "I am not going to Celtic or any other club"

    While at Cardiff he behaved in a manner that would shame many players because he was happy here.

    Towards the end of the season when a few of our players were slacking he covered every yard of the pitch, he got better and better.

    Everyone here will wish Craig the very best whatever he decides to do, he will give 100% every time.
     
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  15. Muppetfinder General

    Muppetfinder General Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure if Adam Morgan was ready he'd have featured already, like the youngsters who have.

    I think what this illustrates is the level of striker we're likely to get to replace N'Gog. It'll be an oldie seeing out his career for a final cash boost or a youngster who's not really ready. I'd rather have N'Gog.

    Despite it going against FSG policy I can see the sense of Bellamy - he was City's best player, he's played for us before so settling's not an issue and if he's a free for a season it lets us put off the decision on what to do to replace N'Gog if and when he goes to Bolton. Maybe there just isn't anybody in the market willing to be 3rd or 4th striker that we're interested in.
     
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  16. Elpistoleros magic feet

    Elpistoleros magic feet New Member

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    Forget Bellamy for a moment.
    If it were me, I would give Raheem Sterling a chance in the Carling Cup sooner than I would Adam Morgan at the moment. Its a different position and its easier. I would give Raheem Sterling 20-25 minutes if things are going well and just tell him to run around, and see if he can create the odd opening for the more experienced players. In pre-season against Galatasaray, I think we performed better when he came on as a sub, as it gave the team a lift to see a young lad of his age come on.
    He would also play with no fear.
     
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  17. Milk Milk

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    Muppet,

    Aye, it's easier for forward players to "look good" to our untrained eyes... they're the ones that scored the goals.

    The upcoming much-touted players are always forwards, Lindfield, Nemeth, Pacheco, Stirling, Suso, Morgan... etc.

    Yet who actually makes it up on a regular basis? Spearing, Kelly, Robinson.

    I trust Dalglish and staff have a better eye than the casual fan. There is a reason we're not packing our bench with young attacking players- it's our defensive youngsters that are ready- not our attacking ones. Kenny will know when they're ready- if they're ever ready.
     
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  18. Elpistoleros magic feet

    Elpistoleros magic feet New Member

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    Milk.
    Sterling.
    I don't know what it is, but this lad has the tools to make it to the top, he for some reason unlike Suso and Morgan, good players mind you, stands out. He jumps out at people, he is going to make it if he progresses at the same tempo he has so far. They must however keep his feet on the ground.
     
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