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  1. Diego

    Diego Lone Ranger

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    No, I am saying that at 26 you are not buying potential, you expect a player of that age to be close to the finished article.
    Like I said, I would have loved us to get VvD 16 months ago. I now have reservations about him, not because of his club performances (he was obviously sulking) but because he has been out with a serious injury. If he was so desperate to join you and you were willing to pay that price then, I think it would have been prudent to say put in a good second half to the season and show us you still have it.
     
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  2. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    It's entirely up to him to justify the outlay, but i fully expect him to improve our defensive frailties and be given the captain's armband at some point.
    But until he puts the shirt on and plays a few games we'll never know for sure.
     
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  3. astro

    astro Well-Known Member

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    Ferdinand peaked sooner because his drug-addled brain started to find it increasingly difficult to concentrate
     
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  4. Peej

    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    Old folks retirement home?

    For a moment you had me thinking we signed players from them who were old
     
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  5. Peej

    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    The extra hair from the transplant heated Klopps brain to a point that £75m for the Dutch Lovren seemed a good idea.
     
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  6. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    hardly setting a high bar is it <laugh>
     
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  7. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>

    Tbf we don't want our defence as bad as Arsenal, their goals against total is shocking.<whistle>
     
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  8. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    schadenfreude at its best mate
     
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  9. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    The disparity in our defensive performances between home & away is interesting
    Home
    P W D L GF GA GD Pts
    10 5 5 0 19 3 +16 20
    Away
    P W D L GF GA GD Pts
    10 5 3 2 27 20 +7 18

    yet we are 6th in home form table and 4th in away plus only 2 points difference despite conceding nearly 3 times as many goals.
    One obvious conclusion is teams sit so deep at Anfield they stifle not just our attack but also their own so our defence doesn't come under enough pressure to cause the now familiar panic attack.

    Full Home Table
    https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/detailed-stats/home-league-table

    Full Away Table
    https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/detailed-stats/away-league-table
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    yes it is highly interesting.

    The thing thats missing is who exactly were played home and away

    Home wins:
    Palace - bottom of league
    Arsenal - were awful
    huddersfield - lower half side
    southampton - lover half side
    swansea - lower half side

    home draws
    Burnely - 7th in tbale at end
    Utd - top 4 rival, bus parkers
    Everton - top half team, bus parkers
    West brom - lower half team - bus parkers
    cheslea - top 4 rival got lucky.


    Away wins:
    leicester: lower half team then.
    west ham - relegation fodder
    stoke - relegation fodder
    brighton - lower mid table - doing well at home.
    bournemouth - relegation fodder

    Away draws
    watford - last min goal let in by wijanldum - mid table side
    newcastle - terrible goal conceded after taking lead poor show. - relegation fodder
    arsenal - top 4 rival threw result away.

    Away losses
    City - thumping after red
    Spurs - lovren disaster.

    Its clear to me we've absolutely tonked the lower half teams this year. We've only drawn once against a lower half team at home and once away. We have 4 draws at home against top half teams which is hurting us.

    Why I've posted this is to point out that in the second half of the season we will be going away to utd, everton, burnely and chelsea so that will be tough BUT conversely we have those teams we played away to absolutely smash at home.

    Leicester
    west ham
    stoke
    brighton
    bournemouth
    watford
    newcastle

    Those are the games IMO that will define our season. Only one of those sides actually looks capable of parking the bus right now and thats west ham. The result will struggle to defend as they have done everywhere.

    I think our home form is going to pick up nicely (fingers crossed) but away from home we are not going to have it as easy and that creaky defence (remember that of the 20 goals away 12 game in 3 games, city spurs and arsenal) needs to find its feet a bit.
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Another way to look at this is we need to win 10 more games minimum this season to get 4th

    Home wins needed:
    leicester:
    west ham
    stoke
    brighton
    bournemouth
    watford
    newcastle

    away wins needed:
    Palace
    huddersfield
    southampton
    swansea
    west brom

    without ever playing a decent side and lets face it theres not many decent sides there.... we should be able to take 33 points if we are any good.

    This leaves
    City (h)
    Utd (A)
    Spurs (H)
    Cheslea (a)
    Everton (a)
    Burnely (a)
    all tough games so that just shows the power to getting on with those easier games against the guys you should be beating.

    If we don't get 70 points is will be because we've screwed it up.
     
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  12. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    since we need 32 points from 18 games i to get the 70 i confidently predict we will get it but the question is will it be enough.
     
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  13. Zanjinho

    Zanjinho Boom! Forum Moderator

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    I think top four will be 75pts+
     
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  14. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    i would expect more that range than 70 myself.
    Someone once reckoned on averaging 2 pts per game for top 4 but think he just made it up as he went along :bandit:
     
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  15. jaffaSlot

    jaffaSlot Well-Known Member

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    I stick to that 2 points per game malarky. Currently 2 points behind schedule.
     
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  16. LuisDiazgamechanger

    LuisDiazgamechanger Dribbles

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  17. Redington

    Redington Active Member

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    dipped in Mayo I hope, otherwise yuk :)
     
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  18. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

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    Dipped in cold gravy and cold carrots. <diva>
     
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  19. Redington

    Redington Active Member

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    gravy is an acceptable alternative
     
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  20. saintanton

    saintanton Old

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    Made me feel a little ill, that.
    I like food that's meant to be hot to be hot.
     
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