only picking fun, I can only wish I was around for those days, I just know the names and what they did. This is one area KPR is superb at but never goes on with because he is too busy spouting anti-united rubbish. He knows his past Liverpool glories well.
If you haven't already got one then get a dvd of the history of liverpool and treat yourself to the glory days.I started supporting the reds back in the 60's (yes I was only 7) but really it was in the 70's my interest took off.Around the time Keegan signed and players like Yeats and Hunt were coming to the end of their careers.Keegan and Toshack were awesome and when they went everyone thought no one could replace them but Kenny came and a skinny kid called Ian Rush was signed from Chester and they are probably the best front 2 I have ever seen.However,the team of the 80's with Barnes,Beardsley,Hanson,McMahon..the list goes on,were without doubt the best team Liverpool ever produced,the Barcelona of their time,and of course during that period Everton produced some good teams and the rivalry was at its fiercest. You can understand why many 'older' supporters have found the last few years so difficult..we won trophies for fun but when Kenny left the first time it all went down hill. Now he's back and we all wait in anticipation. By the way if you can get footage of Emlyn Hughes (Crazy Horse..my favourite at the time) then look how he much he looks like Gerrard with his rampaging runs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA On a serious note i would want them to get things sorted because the PL without the liverpool derby would just not be the same anymore. LFC VS EFC is the first fixture i look at at the beginning of the season,then i look at the rest Manure,Chelski,Arse,Tittham
right can i just mention something as an everton season ticket holder, we DO NOT struggle to fill the ground, take away the 4000 restricted view seats 95% of the time we have a full house, no body wants to pay £30 for a ticket, miss half the game and come out with a very very sore neck, thats that one cleared up. no body wants to buy the club because, firstly the stadium is falling down and the cost per season just to meet health and safety regulations costs us an £8 million player a season, so the club has to have a new stadium this is something kenwright is insistent upon when selling the club, so thats 300-400 million investment straight away, along with the sale price of between 80-120 million, then at least 50 million on players to boost up the depth of squad, so who is going to come in and invest 500-600 million on a club that lacks massively in the commercial market? the answer is one person, a person who lives in a one bedroom flat in manchester, the only serious bid we have had and turned out to be a hoax. Blackburns owners are a joke and will destroy that club, qpr were already owned by billionaires and are a london club, their is a difference, how many clubs have been sold in the last 5-10 years? how many clubs have gone into admin within 2 years of being sold? a hell of a lot, how many have been relegated? a hell of a lot, how many clubs have been bought out and improved? not many i believe city and chelsea (even the taiwaneese owner nearly screwed that up), liverpool were a judges decision from administration, villa have turned into a selling club and are constantly going backwards, birmingham had the short term success, followed by relegation and now their owners assets are frozen. you say kenwright and his board want to much money do you know that since kenwright has been at the club he has never taken a dividend or a salary yet spent 10 million of his own money, im not a kenwright supporter btw just pointing out some facts, i could hardly say he has done a poor job either, yes they have made some cataclismic decisions on the commercial side of things, however look at the club when he took over, days from ceasing to exist, got us moyes, turned our fortunes, to the point now where we are dissapointed to miss out on europe from relieved to stay in the division. now on to yesterdays game, absolutely shocking, no desire, no will, no nothing, when a 17 year old shows the rest of the squad up their needs a massive over haul, too many players sitting on their fat wages happy to stagnate, personally if we have to sell to buy we need to sell and fast the squad needs new faces, the club needs new faces to progress, if that means selling one or more of the key players so be it, jagielka could be sold, we have heitinga who is a cb being played in cm to accomadate him, we have no strikers, beckford is by far our best threat from the forwards and he really should be a backup. as from last season, when it didnt work moyes stubbornly uses the same prolonged tactics of slow tedious buildup play ensuring that when we go forward we end up against 10 men behind the ball all the time, and the continual side to side crab football on the opponents 18 yard box is laughable at best, nobody ever looks to get in behind the opposition defense we always play infront of them, no urgency when on the break. when you look at our side you see baines coleman and barkley as the 3 best players in the side followed by fellaini, jagielka for all his good defensive play thinks he is david beckham, always tring a hollywood ball and always failing, if it didnt work the previous 5000 attempts its not going to now is it, neville is atrocious and how he even gets in the side is a mystery (well its not moyes has his favourites and they play regardless, and to the detriment of the team and its balance) we started with rodwell as a right winger? the lad is a cb who has been played in a cdm roll to progress his development, for the amount of defenders we have on the pitch we concede an awful lot of goals, the team yday consisted of howard, neville, distin, baines, jagielka, rodwell, heintinga (6 centre backs one goalkeeper) 6 of your outfield 10 are cbs, barkley a wonderkid osman consistently average at best, beckford a championship striker and cahill who unless is jumping for a header is completely useless, is it any wonder we got beat by a newly promoted side, no not really. for me i would sell whoever gets an offer of a reasonsable amount and rebuild, yes the team on paper is good, but at the end of the day the club as a whole has stagnated and for that to change their needs some new faces some new ideas, the only way that can happen is players are sold. sorry for the lord of the rings trilogy their guys edit - one last point that most evertonian's don't even know is, and this will explain our lack of threat when attacking, we have zero yes zero attacking coaches at the club, along with the most used starting eleven we have only defensive coaches at the club, that is inexcusable even without any money and has been the case for at least 3 years now.
Yes yes lettuce we have heard it all before as often as we hear radio city adverts for match tickets on a friday and half season tickets.
terrifictraore i hear liverpool advertising tickets on city too? and whats wrong with selling half season tickets, if it means money coming into the club is that a bad thing your saying? some people cant afford a full season ticket so get one at xmas, id rather we sold one half season ticket a year than not offer them at all. you just have to look at the attendance figures rather than advertisments minus the restricted view and we pretty much sell out every game, can the same be said of liverpool if they were in our position? only took a couple of months of negativity for you to hit a massive 12,000 home fans in a league cup tie, try it for nearly two decades
It's not just the restrcted views though is it, as you see people in some of those seats as you get them cheaper. You can feel proud as fans as you do have a good solid core of supporters and it is pretty much much the same people turning up week in week out but you don't sell out often and you are begining to suffer with the "demographic timebomb".
terrifictraore well i was at the game yday and i can tell you from my view of the gwladys street from the park end the clumps of empty seats, the only ones bar the top tier at the away end where they didnt fill their allocation were all restricted view, other than that i saw no empty seats, as you would expect, like i say its not differcult to disprove what you think you just look at the official attendance figures, minus away allocation and restricted view and we fill 95% of the time. demographic? everytime i go the match the amount of travelling support is quite astounding, loads make the trip from london and all sorts of places to get the game so that point is redundant, we easily fill the ground were in now maybe not by much more though il agree, a 60k stadium would be too big at this time, 45/50k we could fill provided their were no restricted views, more travelling away support would come as a result too, you also have to factor in the people who probably wont come the game because of the state of the facilities at the ground, like parking, toilets, etc.
There are more and more empty seats in grounds all the time and the less and less money people have the more clubs will find the prices they are charging will be keeping fans away. All those but the top few clubs who can attract the tourist fans will begin to look less and less attractive when it comes to people parting with their hard earned dollars. Not a dig at Everton because they are one of the few with a big regular support but poor results impact on every club and it can turn into a downward spiral pretty damn quick. The Prem could really begin to struggle over the next few years not just because of falling gate receipts but also because empty seats in grounds simply don't make the Prem product look attractive on TV.
You would expect to sell out yesterday it was your first game of the season. As for the rest of your post about people travelling from london etc (I thought you all lived in everton) you miss the whole point. The "timebomb" I was referring to is the fact that the average EFC fan is getting older and as this generation stops going to the match there are not enough younger fans to fill those seats, all clubs are suffering to some extent with this but some clubs more than others.
but thats the point we did sell out yday our ground holds 40,157 the attendance was 35,008, the entire upper tier of the QPR section was empty, thats 2000 seats, then factor in the restricted view and its as i say, we sell out, not enough younger people going the game, lol what a ridiculous statement, in and around me was about 20 kids, i remember because i had to chill on the swearing. you just nit picking at small points to support your argument and not looking at the whole picture, which is understandable cos your not a blue. could you honestly say any other club would match us in attendances that hasn't spent a penny on a player without having to sell first since 2007 would get as high a gate as everton, cos i don't, not even your beloved liverpool.
When you are in the crown it is impossible to to see where all the individual empty seats are around the ground so that is no indicator. As for kids, there has been plenty of stuff done about aging football fans, I think the last one I saw came from rogan taylors unit but you ignore that because you saw some kids at the game
terrifictraore yea but like i said you nit pick at certain things, you have completely missed out the fact unemployment in the area is as high as i has been in 30 years, cost of living has increased by a massive amount while peoples wages have gone down, me living at home i even struggle with a full time job to pay for my season ticket but i know if i dont the club misses out on even more revenue, the park end is the only place in the ground where their is no restricted view, yea u may get a few pockets of seats not filled in areas of the ground, but from where i sit, and ive sat in the same place for three seasons running, its always the same seats empty and they all have massive big posts in the way of them so for me its logical to say that due to restricted view, you have the luxury of pobably never going the everton game so cannot say, i know from my own personal experience the seats that are empty are always the same ones
Your off rambling again, as I said everton can be proud of their attendances but they are not as good as you make out and even though you don't understand/believe the demographic problem it ceryainly exists and is a massive problem building for the future.
QPR fan in peace: After Spurs got beat manure yesterday, do you think saturday's result would have been different IF you had played Spurs as was intended? secondly, over the last few years, Everton have always managed to produce a talent from their youth team - Rooney, Rodwell, Osman (although he appears to judged as average from what I have read), Hibbert, and Anichebe. Barkley was outstanding on Saturday - surely that is something you must be proud of? Good luck for the rest of the season - I am sure that you will be top 8...just hoping we can stay up!
£300-£400 million to buy Everton. Not in a milliion years. £2.99 would buy Everton....and thats being generous, maybe Liverpool could swap Philip Degen for Everton. He could be Kenwrights servant. Everton would then be Liverpools feeder club and they would be replaced in the premiership by Darlington.
I'd hate to see Everton in serious trouble- I was brought up almost in the shadow of Goodison ( it's in Walton, of course, not Everton ) and most of my family are/were blues. It's great to have a laugh at their expense, but I wouldn't like to see anything terrible to happen.
