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Another One Bites The Dust

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Gordonthetoony, Dec 20, 2017.

  1. Gordonthetoony

    Gordonthetoony Well-Known Member

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    Paul Clement has been sacked by Swansea this evening. Everyone around us are sacking or have sacked their managers and in our current form if it wasn't because it's Rafa Benitez, I believe he'd be gone too. PLEASE make this take over happen soon.
     
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  2. Dorty Dogbreath

    Dorty Dogbreath keeper of the glow

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    Swansea have sacked a few managers in the last couple of years. I think this is their season for the plunge, you can only hover at the bottom for so long.
     
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  3. Dorty Dogbreath

    Dorty Dogbreath keeper of the glow

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    Maybe Mourinho might get the sack after Bristol City knocked his team out of the League Cup his evening?
     
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  4. Judge Death

    Judge Death Well-Known Member

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    Working on the mackem's management planning system??
     
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  5. Albert's Chip Shop

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    Not enough sackings yet.

    The sheep pumpers will be dumping in their stands next....
     
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  6. Dorty Dogbreath

    Dorty Dogbreath keeper of the glow

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    Aye, I think its their time.
     
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  7. Dorty Dogbreath

    Dorty Dogbreath keeper of the glow

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    <laugh>
     
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  8. Charlie Dogscock

    Charlie Dogscock Well-Known Member

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    5 sacked in the last 3 years, expectations are stupid, Laudrup and Monk were doing reasonable jobs, and Guodolin actually did extremely well - took over when they were in freefall, and completely turned them around and kept them up....only to be axed right at the start of the next season before he'd had time to do anything.

    Sacking managers at will has meant anyone decent is gonna have reservations about managing them, and now they have to resort to managers like the useless bald American twat, or the massively inexperienced Clement.

    Frank De Boer to them next...
     
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  9. Mick O'Toon

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    Pulis I'd say which will be a pity because we might need him.
     
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  10. Charlie Dogscock

    Charlie Dogscock Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah, I forgot about that boring ****.

    Allardyce, Pulis, Hodgson, Pardew, Moyes and Hughes.

    The Premier league old boys club, 6 boring old ****s who are always guaranteed a job no matter how **** they are.
     
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  11. Gordonthetoony

    Gordonthetoony Well-Known Member

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    Who'd be a Swansea manager in December. 3 years running manager sacked in December.
     
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  12. Seabass

    Seabass Well-Known Member

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    On the face of it Clement's CV suggests he should be good. He's the sort of person I would like making us but wondering if maybe he has a long way to go to be comfortable being the main man and not an assistant.
     
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  13. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    To be fair this is just modern football and has been for a while. Rarely are managers given time. Certainly relegation or even the threat of it are unacceptable. We're an anomaly in this regard. If any other club were hurtling towards the trap door like we have lately they'd be out on their ear. So forget all the he has no money excuses etc etc, they do not stand up in the modern game. The rest of the managers like Clement have the same constraints. Its only Rafa's reputation and our owners proven patience which has given him a stay of execution.

    I'm glad we are bucking the trend and hope we stick with him for now. If we get relegated as a result so be it. Its not the end of the world.
     
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  14. Rum & Black for 2

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    Tongue in cheek? Must be.
    "The rest of the managers like Clement have the same constraints"
    Some have as bad owners as we do but not all of them. Starting point, how much has the owner backed the manager in the last transfer window? Next, how much has the owner backed the manager in the last January window? and repeat.
     
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  15. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Not at all. I think Swansea made 30m in profit in the most recent window. His two best players were sold in Sigurdsson and Llorente. I think he was allowed in the previous winter window to spend 20m to keep them up which he did. These were 4No 5-6m buys.

    We were in deficit around 21m for the last summer window. We didn't spend a bean in the previous winter window. So over the last windows we have operated at a 21m spend and Swansea at 10m profit. Uncomfortable reading I'm sure but that is the reality and Benitez's name does not somehow offer him greater excuses than the next man.

    Obviously things are skewed by relegation and promotion, established teams receiving regular PL money etc. However if you take Swansea in isolation, despite their exposure to regular Sky TV money over a consistent period, they are spending less than us. Hence they're in the bottom 3 like ourselves. The difference is Clement has been sacked and Rafa hasn't. I'm not saying he should be either, I'm saying I'm not sure why Clement has really. Give him peanuts, you'll get monkeys.

    With Rafa people point to profit when we came down but that is always the case if you come down with saleable assets. We took in 90m, with 55m coming from two players. Lets face it we got 30m from one player whose departure had no impact whatsoever on the quality of our first team. We spent 12m on a player who was better than him. Its not like selling Sigurdsson is it?

    We then allowed Rafa to shell out 57m just to get promoted. He hasn't had that bad a ride financially. He hasn't spent the money he has had very well in my opinion. I certainly don't mean all the managers have the same constraints, that would be silly. But there are probably 4 or 5 who have had similar budgets to work with over the time he's been in charge however the money is generated. Hand on heart, can you say he has done well with the money he has had?
     
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  16. Rum & Black for 2

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    Hand on heart, yes.

    First objective when relegated was to be promoted. Achieved.

    Second objective on being promoted is to stay up. Still ongoing.

    He used Sissoko's money to put together a team/squad which would achieve promortion. Essentially a team of good/top class Championship players. Stands to reason and logic that they would struggle in the PL as they are good/top class Championship players not PL players. Therefore investment required. Was it given? No.

    Therefore Rafa has started at a much different point and lower point to Clement in building a team to stay in the PL. Not saying Clement should or should not have been sacked. Clement though had much more money available to him to spend than Rafa has and you can't ignore the "profit" made on Sig & Llorente as that was money available to spend on PL players not like Rafa's "profit" which was spent in getting us out of the Championship.

    To suggest though that Pep and Jose and Co have the same restraints as Rafa is stretching a fairytale to beyond belief though because that's what you have said in saying
    "The rest of the managers like Clement have the same constraints"

    It's just not true.

    Don't get me wrong I do think Rafa has made a number of mistakes some of which I struggle to understand but we ain't getting a better manager any time soon and as all managers make mistakes I'll live with Rafa's.
     
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  17. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    That was clarified above. That is not what I meant. I meant other managers around Rafa at the bottom but accept that wasn't clear - however it was Clement being discussed. There is little point comparing him with managers operating in the top six. Quite simply that is a different league. However it is worth noting its all relative. Success for us is staying up. Success for the Jose, Pep etc is winning. Failure to win can also result in losing your job. The same rules apply. If Jose spends 150m and Pep spends 50m, Jose will have an advantage. If they both spend 150m, and one wins while the other languishes in 6th, then he would be in trouble.

    I've clearly stated that the profit from Sig and Llorente was helpful in terms of spend. However it had a much greater impact on Clements ability to be successful than our sales did. He couldn't attract players of that quality. Rafa however was able to attract a high quality of player for the championship. He also needed a lot of players. However I think he could have got us promoted for less and saved some for this year. In the end he was spunking money on players who never saw the light of day like Sels, Hanley, Lazaar. It wasn't great. This year he has spent a big chunk of his money on Lejeune. Strange given centre back was our strongest suit.

    He has also bought Diame which renders any argument you have null and void <laugh>
     
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  18. Rum & Black for 2

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    Okay, you've got me on the Diame one.

    He's not a Championship player even on a third or fourth choice.

    :emoticon-0145-shake
     
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  19. rooch 3

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    Do you have to.<laugh>
     
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  20. ValleyGraduate12

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    We'll still finish above you hillbillies :emoticon-0109-kiss:
     
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