So after our insane season so far, this has got me thinking - was Lee Tomlin really the cause of (or at least a significant factor towards) our horrendous dip last season? It reached the point whereby we were even questioning whether LJ had dirt on Steve Lansdown, that's how bad it got, and yet Lansdown obviously saw what most of us didn't, and stuck with him. Now I was told on good authority that there had been no bust up with Tomlin, but I now take that back, something had clearly happened. If rumours are to be believed on OTIB, the players went to SL and asked him to keep Lee in his job, which if true shows just how sensible a group of players we have. Those same players also allegedly wanted Tomlin out, and there are a few hints towards that. The fact that LJ refused to elaborate last night on what he said to Mourinho, but said the main theme was handling large ego's. The fact that Tomlin roomed with Wilbraham, the most senior player and probably the one who can keep most of an eye on him, as well as that interview. Is it just a case that we were always ready for this sort of form, but a poisonous input to the dressing room was holding us back? Does anyone know what really went on? P.S. I don't mean this to bring us down from our joy at the moment, but given LJ's interview last night on Sky it seemed topical.
Yes Rob - Tomlin is a really poisonous influence in our dressing room and probably the main reason why we're only 2nd and not top.
Are you second? You’ve not mentioned that before One point you didn’t make is that Tomlin has not been playing regularly for you. The man does have talent in abundance but has a attitude to go with it. Maybe Warnock being a bullying dinosaur might be the best thing for Tomlin and I hope he does as when on his game very good to watch. Might be worth coming back to this thread when you hit a sticky patch and see if Tomlin keeps in toe then. Back to the sensible posters question. I think Tomlin was possibly the reason along with dare I say JP. Since JP left we changed and went on to save what looked like a relegation ending.
I know your lot aren't the brightest but you're seemingly unaware that he had a career before Cardiff.
Yes ROD, but playing or not, he could still be a disruptive influence. I'm not taking the piss out of Rob and the OP, just saying that Tomlin is here and we're doing OK. He hasn't been selected to start because he's fat, unfit and couldn't last 90 minutes. Just how Warnock and his staff turn him around in that direction is unknown. I've personally no idea what he's like with his team mates other than to say he looks to be very much a part of a good squad. There is no evidence over here that he isn't a big part of the effort and has undoubted skills that could be very important to us in the New Year. Rob - being not very bright, I wasn't aware of that. I thought we'd just picked him up from the turnip fields over there.
But he isn't the perceived 'star player' at Cardiff as he was with us. Maybe if any of what Rob says is true he has realised he will be bombed out of future clubs unless he changes. All conjecture, but it does seem very coincidental that our form picked up when he was dropped and gone through the roof since he left. My view is that John Pemberton was the issue and LJ got rid!,
We thought the same after 6 months too. In fact we thought the same after 12 months. I dare say so did Bournemouth and Middlesbrough.
Not knocking Rob's thread at all - just a bit of a chat with him. I've no idea what went on over there, and in truth probably niether have any of you despite the conjecture. If Tomlin was playing the "Billy Bigbollucks" with you then he got what he deserved and you were right to get rid. Just from our limited inside knowledge across here, he seems to very much apart of a happy squad although not playing regularly at the mo. If he gets fit and can last more than an hour without an oxygen mask, then from what we've seen he could be very influential in a positive way, rather than the negative one he's perceived as over there.
Rob - I know from what you mentioned in the past you're probably less than half my age, but that doesn't make me right and you wrong. Being as old as I am (but still a long way off getting my State Pension ), I' ve watched the likes of Robin Friday, Tony Currie and Stan Bowles amongst others. All had something magical about them but were, shall we say, "difficult". I hear what you say but I'll reserve judgement on Tomlin based up personal experience for now rather than heresay.
A big if OS, but you are right, the guys quality is unquestionable no BCFC fan would argue that. His fitness is and has hindered him playing consistently at a higher level, as he has the ability.
Five actually ROD - it was the big Six Oh in September for me. Come to think of it, maybe more than that by then the way government is pushing the qualifying age on.
Supcon - the thing with Tomlin is he's never going to be the "wallpaper" at a club, he'll aways be the pattern on it. If he comes good then that'll be great for us - if he relapses back into his "alleged" character type then he'll be shipped out. As you say, he hasn't played many minutes for us and we're doing OK without him. If he does get there an turn it on, then things can only get better.
I mentioned that on another thread, managed to get the bad eggs out...LJ is now flying and seems to have total control for his concept..
Lee Johnson was the cause of City's poor form last season. Lee Tomlin is a specialist playmaker. The Bristol City this season has no specialist playmaker, has a obvious consistent shape and methodology (dna/identity blah ..) and its assembled parts now work in unison. Mr Johnson is also the cause of that latter team and its fine form.
Yep agreed. As so often Cliftonville, respect your comments but generally missing the point. Of course Lee Johnson was at fault, the buck ultimately stops with him. But did we maybe not realise at the time just how bad the situation was internally. If the players wanted Tomlin out and told SL they wanted Johnson to stay, then that suggests something significant having occurred.
sadly for some close to the mark 67 including females!!! a number of my friends wives 5 in total missed out retiring at 60 by weeks one just 5 days! Reasons were given for what and why things happened, unless you were there then any comment is pure conjecture, and like the war time going to a dance "joke" is how how things get misconstrued by " repetition but missing out or adding in the odd extra" as onefor said you are entitled to your interpretation or opinion .. not necessarily correct most of the time. The club and Lee did state they were doing the best they could with what they had and needed to get through the season to the next window to tidy up the loose ends ... open a jig saw first actions are sort the corners and the straight edges, select prominent inside pieces, that's colours and or shapes and fit in the remainder as and when. I GUESS WE HAVE THE CORNERS AND STRAIGHT EDGES SORTED now lets sort the middle bits .............................
Ego goes with the territory. The Cardiff posters little list of playmakers is a list of egomaniacs. It is something to be Managed. Ultimately BCFC style of play does not accommodate a player like Lee Tomlin. If somehow he could have been a success the possible behind the scenes would have become insignificant. Players behaving like blockheads is nothing new e.g Partridge, Brooker, and the endless list of piss artists City have had ... Players bitch and play politics more when they are losing and if Lee Tomlin was worth it players will make it work because its in their own interests to do so.
