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De Bruyne being labelled as the best player on the planet for me is a little bit premature. He's part of a very effective team who all work for each other, and that has brought out the very best in him. On an individual level, he's absolutely nowhere near Lionel Messi.

We're talking probably the greatest player of all time vs a guy who has the perfect chemistry around him in his team. We have seen how devastating Messi is when Pep was there with a team that were simply unstoppable.

I'd estimate Messi's stats for this season still outstrip KDB.
 
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Tel said:
De Bruyne being labelled as the best player on the planet for me is a little bit premature. He's part of a very effective team who all work for each other, and that has brought out the very best in him. On an individual level, he's absolutely nowhere near Lionel Messi.

We're talking probably the greatest player of all time vs a guy who has the perfect chemistry around him in his team. We have seen how devastating Messi is when Pep was there with a team that were simply unstoppable.

I'd estimate Messi's stats for this season still outstrip KDB.
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... but if you factor in the quality of the opposition in a fairly uncompetitive Spanish league, KDB wins it hands down IMHO in terms of current form ... he's doing it week in, week out in the ultra competitive EPL ... tore us a new one ... was a joy to watch ... even if it was a tad begrudgingly <laugh>
 
Tel said:
De Bruyne being labelled as the best player on the planet for me is a little bit premature. He's part of a very effective team who all work for each other, and that has brought out the very best in him. On an individual level, he's absolutely nowhere near Lionel Messi.

We're talking probably the greatest player of all time vs a guy who has the perfect chemistry around him in his team. We have seen how devastating Messi is when Pep was there with a team that were simply unstoppable.

I'd estimate Messi's stats for this season still outstrip KDB.
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6 months of top form in the PL and people talking about him in the same breathe as Messi and Ronaldo who have made whole careers out of outstanding seasons <doh>
 
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Spurlock said:
6 months of top form in the PL and people talking about him in the same breathe as Messi and Ronaldo who have made whole careers out of outstanding seasons <doh>
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I rate both players highly ... who wouldn't ... but it still stands that Messi has 'done it' playing in a wonderful Barca team where the 'testing games' are infrequent compared to the EPL ...
 
Tel said:
De Bruyne being labelled as the best player on the planet for me is a little bit premature. He's part of a very effective team who all work for each other, and that has brought out the very best in him. On an individual level, he's absolutely nowhere near Lionel Messi.

We're talking probably the greatest player of all time vs a guy who has the perfect chemistry around him in his team. We have seen how devastating Messi is when Pep was there with a team that were simply unstoppable.

I'd estimate Messi's stats for this season still outstrip KDB.
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Good argument, as an individual Messi is certainly more skillful and of course they are very different players. KDB at the moment does have good individuals around him but so does Messi and Barca play with Messi as the focal point whereas City play with KDB as the main playmaker. Take into account that as much as I see a lot of Messi on highlights I don't get to see whole games with him in so yes I'm bigging KDB up without the full picture. However I am seeing someone take a grip of game after game and controlling the whole match with amazing all round performances. Is he the best in the world? I suppose that's a point to argue, is he at the level of Messi, Ronaldo? Yes he is, you don't see a player like this often.
 
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I rate both players highly ... who wouldn't ... but it still stands that Messi has 'done it' playing in a wonderful Barca team where the 'testing games' are infrequent compared to the EPL ...
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What's KDB done?

Messi would kill this league...maybe not so much now...but would have murdered it. He doesn't care about ****ty Tuesday nights at Stoke.
 
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... but if you factor in the quality of the opposition in a fairly uncompetitive Spanish league, KDB wins it hands down IMHO ... he's doing it week in, week out in the ultra competitive EPL ... tore us a new one ... was a joy to watch ... even if it was a tad begrudgingly <laugh>
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Ultra competitive EPL ffs. So because KDB does it against gritty little Brighton we should overlook Messi's achievements in La Liga cos they don't have a gritty little Brighton <laugh>
 
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Good argument, as an individual Messi is certainly more skillful and of course they are very different players. KDB at the moment does have good individuals around him but so does Messi and Barca play with Messi as the focal point whereas City play with KDB as the main playmaker. Take into account that as much as I see a lot of Messi on highlights I don't get to see whole games with him in so yes I'm bigging KDB up without the full picture. However I am seeing someone take a grip of game after game and controlling the whole match with amazing all round performances. Is he the best in the world? I suppose that's a point to argue, is he at the level of Messi, Ronaldo? Yes he is, you don't see a player like this often.
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He's probably head and shoulders above Ronaldo this season, but Messi, absolutely not. Nowhere near. The difference isn't negligible, it's gargantuan as far as I'm concerned.

Would you have let me get away with saying Scholes was better than Messi in 2008? We ****ing smashed everything in sight, and the Sat Nav even dumped Pep's Barca personally.

Would you hell, is the answer.
 
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Jamie ‘Louise is chomping on another cock as I’m a proper boring ****’ Redknapp, declared that Salah’s ball control was comparable to Messi’s yesterday.
 
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6 months of top form in the PL and people talking about him in the same breathe as Messi and Ronaldo who have made whole careers out of outstanding seasons <doh>
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You need to watch him mate. He has class stamped all over him. His vision and reading of the game are extraordinary; and that’s allied to an ability to deliver what he sees.

No doubt he’s assisted by the quality of the players around him, but he orchestrates that team, IMO.
 
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Jamie ‘Louise is chomping on another cock as I’m a proper boring ****’ Redknapp, declared that Salah’s ball control was comparable to Messi’s yesterday.
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He would do, he bases his entire career on making stupid statements, a bit like Merson.

Salah is an incredible player by the way, if Liverpool had a defence he might get the same sort of credit being given to KDB.
 
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Ultra competitive EPL ffs. So because KDB does it against gritty little Brighton we should overlook Messi's achievements in La Liga cos they don't have a gritty little Brighton <laugh>
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Nope ... because he does it against gritty little Man United, Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal ...<ok>
 
Tel said:
He's probably head and shoulders above Ronaldo this season, but Messi, absolutely not. Nowhere near. The difference isn't negligible, it's gargantuan as far as I'm concerned.

Would you have let me get away with saying Scholes was better than Messi in 2008? We ****ing smashed everything in sight, and the Sat Nav even dumped Pep's Barca personally.

Would you hell, is the answer.
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Always difficult to compare players when they play such different positions. Messi has been amazing for so long and KDB has only played at this level this season comparing careers is not on the table here. Is KDB of the level of Messi right now? I think he is and that's not taking into account the players around them but as individuals.
You may disagree. :biggrin:
 
Tel said:
He would do, he bases his entire career on making stupid statements, a bit like Merson.

Salah is an incredible player by the way, if Liverpool had a defence he might get the same sort of credit being given to KDB.
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Salah is an excellent player, but I think the league will be more aware of what he does in the second half of the season and will therefore prepare much better to counter him. He basically cuts inside from the right onto his left peg or bursts in behind on the right flank to get on the end of a cross.
 
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