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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. lifecheshirewhite

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    <doh> old age has made you senile.
     
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  2. lifecheshirewhite

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    Why you a benefit scrounger ?
     
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    OLOF Well-Known Member

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    One eyed thick **** Gordon Brown? Although the hunchback of downing st is looking like the worst pm ever
     
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  4. dbc

    dbc Well-Known Member

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    Nope.

    But as friend said about the last election there's two types of Tory voters depending on if you earn more or less than 70 grand.

    If you earn more than 70 grand then you're a selfish c*nt

    If you earn less than 70 grand then you're a thick c*nt
     
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  5. lifecheshirewhite

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    There's 2 types of Labour voters,benefit scroungers and them who pay the benefits,or like you say thick ****s
     
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    xbpod Well-Known Member

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    A very educated post.....................................don't lower yourself.
     
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  7. 2020VisionofLeeds

    2020VisionofLeeds Well-Known Member

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    And your excuse for your incoherent rambling is?
     
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  8. lifecheshirewhite

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    I talking to you old senile fookers,no young people have said they don't understand me.<laugh>
     
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  9. xbpod

    xbpod Well-Known Member

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    I see the sweaties are thinking of changes in their tax rules. I'm sure everyone has seen this before, but just in case it's been missed,

    The Tax System Explained - Using a Beer Analogy
    Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

    The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
    The fifth would pay £1.
    The sixth would pay £3.
    The seventh would pay £7.
    The eighth would pay £12.
    The ninth would pay £18.
    And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59. 
    So, that's what they decided to do.

    The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just£80.

    The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. 

    So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

    And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).
    The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).
    The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).
    The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).
    The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).
    And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving). 
    Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free. 

    But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!" 
    "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!" 

    "That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!" 

    "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. 

    The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill! 

    And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier. 

    For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
    For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
    [via the Telegraph]
     
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  10. lifecheshirewhite

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    That system doesn't work in Leeds,can never find Glory when its time pay for the beer.<whistle>
     
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    It's such a bad analogy that even Trump's press secretary has tried to use it




     
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  12. 2020VisionofLeeds

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    The last 3 words could have saved me a lot of reading if they’d been the first three
     
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    I actually think it's one of the better analogies. The whingers are normally the ones too lazy to try and improve themselves.
     
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    xbpod Well-Known Member

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    And I thought you were a Telegraph man?
     
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    Brown was in the job at the wrong time.. no matter who had been in power the worldwide banking crisis would have ruined them.
    Ironically he played a major part in keeping things on track in the crisis not just here but in the US and across Europe.
     
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    Ha ha, it's not worth anymore of an answer :rolleyes:
     
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  17. dbc

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    It compares Tax to a retail transaction which it isn't. Everybody benefits from the results of taxation, the very richest more than anyone else, which is why they should take the biggest burden.

    In reality unlike a retail transaction you can't reduce the bill without reducing services.

    Due to the increase of regressive indirect taxation no one pays zero tax (and indeed as a percentage of their total income the poorest 10% pay 42% of their income in tax whilst the richest 10% pay 34% of their income in tax.)

    At present the wealthiest 1% of the worlds population own 50.1% of the global wealth with the bottom 70% owning 2.7%.

    So if you want to go down the beer route

    100 people walk into a bar which has 100 pints.

    1 of them drinks 46 pints.

    The next 8 people then drink 40 pints.

    Then 21 people share 11 pints.

    Then 70 people share 3 pints.

    The only trickle down economics happening in that pub is 70 people being pissed on by the first person.


    https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/14/worlds-richest-wealth-credit-suisse
     
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  18. xbpod

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    Yes but in your example the 1 person drinking the 46 pints has paid for all his 46 pints and not complaining about it.
     
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    Nope my example doesn't mention payment (or gender) as it's highlighting both the gross unfairness of current wealth distribution and the limitations of beer analogies...... (honest)
     
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    xbpod Well-Known Member

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    So your post is pointless then
     
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