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  1. The Ginger Marks

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    Correct! As I stated earlier that figure has been bandied about since 1910 to the present day so there’s obviously an agenda by somebody.
     
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  2. Tobes

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    Post the proof of this please
     
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  3. Tobes

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    How can the 6m figure have been bandied about since 1910 in relation to the Nazi holocaust?
     
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  4. The Ginger Marks

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    Well I can assure you it has unless what was printed in national newspapers has been falsified.
     
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    I will when I have a bit of time later, mate. Am in between picking kids up and dropping off to work.
     
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  6. Tobes

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    What the **** was the context though?
     
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    The word Holocaust and 6m figure have been used many tines before ww2 mate. This is not even disputed any more.

    The word holocaust means along lines of lakes of fire.

    I could be wrong as its been a while, but iirc the 6m figure has been mentioned/used 140 times before the 6m after WW2.
     
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    Jewish homeland ultimately.

    Unfortunately googling it will get you access to right wing neo Nazi sites these days. Which add all sorts of nonsense and conspiracy theory to the mix making everything sound daft.
     
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  9. Tobes

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    Are you sure you're not confusing the historical persecution of the Jews throughout the ages with a specific reference to an event that happened 30 years after these supposed headlines? Sounds like gold plated horse **** to me, but I'll await the proof.
     
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  10. thefanwithnoname

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    I am sure mate.

    There is no denying that Jews have been persecuted throughout their history. They have been kicked out from countries like ours too by royal decree etc.

    New York Times, October 31st, 1911

    The 6,000,000 Jews of Russia are singled out for systematic oppression and for persecution due to process of law.

    The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), September 1st, 1911

    [...] the downfall lf six million creatures [...] for no war has ever destroyed six million human lives.


    Stephen S. Wise, New York Times, June 11, 1900

    There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism.

    Encyclopaedia Britannica, 10th Edition, 1902, page 482

    While there are in Russia and Rumania six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded...

    The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), June 25th, 1915

    The annihilation of the six million Jews now congregated in the Russian domains goes on in a well defined and systematic manner.


    The Mercury, December 4th, 1915

    [...] six millions of Russian and Polish Jews are to-day the most pitiable victims of that race hatred and that race fanaticism which have been the creed of Germany [...]

    The Evening Tribune Providence, October 31st, 1919, page 11

    In the midst of our campaign for the relief of the six million Jews of Eastern Europe [...]

    Chaim Weizmann, 1936

    It is no exaggeration to say that six million Jews are sentenced to be imprisoned in this part of the world, where they are unwanted, and for whom the countries are divided into those, where they are unwanted, and those, where they are not admitted.

    New York Times, May 31st, 1936, page 14

    AMERICANS APPEAL FOR JEWISH REFUGE. The petition, in expressing the opinion of enlightened Christian leadership in the United States, favoring a larger Jewish immigration into Palestine, stressed the intolerable sufferings of the millions of Jews in "the European holocaust." [...] to save these unfortunate millions from total annihilation [...]

    The Jewish Western Bulletin, June 12nd, 1936, page 3

    Great Britain has it within her power to throw open the gates of Palestine and let in the victimized and persecuted Jews escaping from the European holocaust.

    The Times, November 22nd, 1938

    Mass emigration of Jews to Palestine for two years and the formation of a Jewish national assembly was advocated by Sir John Haslam, M.P., in a message which he sent to a public meeting at the Kingsway Hall last night held by the New Zionist Organization. The message stated that the problem now involved some 6,000,000 Jews.

    NOTE. The 6m dying was before 1940 so if 6m were in such dire straits/conditions before WW2 broke out then the 6m figure after cannot be accurate and it would be closer to 10-12m
     
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    Are you having a laugh?
     
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    Que??
     
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    I was googling in Argos car park (dropping kids off remember?)and said the sites that are most likely to put them up are neo Nazi etc

    The quotes are from the likes of encyclopedia brittanica with dates and page numbers, you can look them up. The NY times etc are not spurious or neo Nazi despite where they get displayed

    Bottom line is the 6m figure is as was suggested and it was heavily reported from 1900

    Chaim was the first Israeli pm ffs not like he was neo Nazi.

    Like I said earlier no topic should be off limit if discussed properly. I endeavoured to do that and even explained the sources before giving them.
     
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  15. The Ginger Marks

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    Why not? I’m half Jewish on my fathers side, I have every right to talk about this and any other subject I feel.
     
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    This subject is best left alone imo. You have no moral compass though, so crack on
     
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    I've told you this before, if your mother is not Jewish and you haven't converted then you're not Jewish at all. You can't be half Jewish.
     
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  18. The Ginger Marks

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    Why? It comes under the conspiracy umbrella so it’s up for sensible discussion. Fan has shown an interest and has conducted the matter with the respect it deserves.
     
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  19. The Ginger Marks

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    I disagree Tel I’ve been exposed to both cultures and beliefs.
     
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    By posting a load of headlines straight from a holocaust denier site?

    By putting it under the conspiracy umbrella you're giving oxygen to the bullshit denial that surrounds the holocaust

    Do it on your own, I'm done here
     
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    Sorry mate but I don't get that at all.

    I'm Muslim and I was always told to leave subjects alone and I lost all my faith. It was only through questioning and research I came back to it. My old man is at loggerheads with my "version" and believes on stuff that is or has been accepted in his country of origin for decades.

    I showed him pics of some stuff and he still thinks its a conspiracy

    I can't get my head around it tbh
     
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