Off Topic Political Debate

Actually I also remember the text referring to deportation (which is no longer there) but I didn't think the subject worth dwelling on.

 

Is this fool referring to my post 7896 about deporting travellers?. This saga reminds me of the Reading phantom 'goal' Surely there is enough to disagree with without fabricating stuff?.

Sir, you are either mightily confused or wilfully telling porkies.

 

https://www.rt.com/uk/411646-david-davis-damian-green/

Well, wouldn't this be popular - Davis threatens to quit if Green is sacked over his porn habit.

Bring it on...

 

From bits I have seen, Davis would be very glad to have a reason to leave his current post.

 

Not to sure where to put this, but it is political.

Aldi the German supermarket has said that any unsold fresh goods they have in store at 4.00 pm Christmas Eve when they close, will be given to food banks. I find this sad in different ways. Why should the poorest be left with whatever the not so poor don't want. Why doesn't our country which is one of the richest in the world do better to ensure that people are fed?

In France supermarkets are required by law to give away unsold food to the food banks. Would anyone argue that this is a bad law? I see people with vouchers in the supermarkets paying for basic necessities, and no one takes any notice of it. Is it time for the UK to put people in line for basic living rather than seeing those who have enough reap even more?

I read a report of a pub in one of the richest areas of the Home Counties offering a free Christmas dinner to anyone who would want to take up their offer up. Can people there need a hand out? Yes, it seems these people are there, as it is not the first time they have made the offer and it has been popular.

Last time I came to the Vic a ticket cost me almost as much as the Christmas dinner that would feed eight people.

If you have earned your money spend it as you wish, but do give just a thought for those who would like to have earned a similar sum, but for one reason or another have not been so lucky.

 

The right wing media's poor-blaming, combined with a wage freeze has knocked charity and has put serious pressure on less fortunate peoples' income in this country. Our generation is seriously suffering. I'm lucky enough to have chosen a career path to allow me to avoid the worst parts.

People like SH who enjoy flaunting their wealth whilst belittling those worst off make me sick. I'm not a religious man but I do hope there's some form of hell waiting for him, he can sit next to Maggie and Mugabe for eternity.

 

I have a very good friend who works as a cleaner at Aldi, as an aside, a man of simple pleasures. Just as well, one of the few people willing to work part time. Just enough to keep a roof over his head, 2 or 3 packs of ***s per week and a couple of pints.... I find the idea of food banks in a first world country such as ours abhorrent. End of.

 

The resident whinge bag is at it again.

 

And the resident little right-wing **** is trolling again. Do you not have anything better to do with your pathetic life at 1am?

 

Maybe it's time to stop calling it 'charity', and call it justice instead.

 

Is your Giro late again? lots of angst from crapman.

 

I have a real job, I don't earn a living ripping off the NHS like yourself.

 

The NHS has plenty of cash to spend, my self employed daughter was offered £750 a day to work for the NHS last week, which she turned down.

 

It is criminal that in the richest countries of the World we have such things as food banks. Whether the UK, Germany or the USA. the same picture emerges. A growing problem is also that these countries also contain ever larger numbers of people faced with age poverty ie. with no measurable pension. Maybe we should be seriously considering the idea of a basic unconditional income for all citizens. I am not fond of the idea of charity - you 'give' something in order to feel better about the whole situation (often publicly, because it looks good). We need to ditch the idea of charity, and call it justice instead ie. they have a right to ask for help, and you/we have an obligation. When we see people dependent on food banks it is not just their problem, but ours as well - can we justify all that we have ?

 

I am not sure that people I know give to make themselves feel better. Very often it stems from anger to see that others are hardly managing to keep their heads above water while others seem to buy and waste food. Some governments have attempted to ensure that their people do all have the basic requirements to live, but this comes at a cost of higher taxation. It takes organization to provide good services, something that government is not too clever at sometimes, so very often it is the people much closer to the problems who pick up the pieces. Surveys have found that in some countries that provide greater services the people feel that their money provides a better quality of life. I guess that it depends on how competent you feel that your government is to spend money wisely.

 

Those countries which ensure that all their citizens (and immigrants) have the basic requirements to live are normally smaller ones like Finland, Sweden etc. Countries where the dominant idea is `we need everyone ! ' - larger ones like Germany, the UK. and the USA. have developed a culture which accepts so called human wastage (a horrible expression). Together with the idea that those in poverty are themselves to blame (this is less prominent in Germany). I was not knocking all those who give to charity Frenchie - just saying that we need to see it in a different way. When I am on the street and see some guy sitting by the roadside asking for money, I do not know his life history or why he is sitting there - it may be partly his own fault but I don't care, I just give what I can afford. Because in some way his circumstances and mine are interrelated. I cannot possess anything without the state and its infrastructure around me - and he is as much part of that as I am.

 

Labour Lord caught double-dipping in the trough. How the hell do we stop this sort of thing - and why isn't this a criminal matter?

http://archive.is/MP3t0

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...e-are-in-work_uk_5a281714e4b044d16726b7bd?mmo

An absolutely disgusting claim by the so-called chancellor, Phillip Hammond - blaming UK's low productivity on disabled people. I guess it's what we've come to expect from Tories - but it's about time we had a mechanism to rid ourselves of the vile creatures.

 

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/most-...-trinity-mirror-newsquest-and-johnston-press/

I find this to be somewhat sinister - the BBC using funds from TV Licence payers to pay the employment costs of 'Local Democracy' journalists to report local political news.

Very strange that Scotland should benefit the most - with BBC Scotland already being particularly anti-SNP, and only one of Scotland's daily newspapers being pro-Independence. Although theymay be worried about falling revenue as more and more people refuse to pay the TV licence fee - as well as their audience reach, as both of the newspapers who benefit (Union-supporting Scotsman & Herald) have falling readerships - in The Scotsman's case, plummeting rather than just falling. Quite how either of them fall into the category of one of "...the 58 successful news organisations had to pass “stringent criteria” which included financial stability..." is anyone's guess.

All this suggest to me is that the Establishment are preparing to fight against another Independence referendum.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...l-reprivatisation_uk_5a2fd775e4b0789502839e6a

Incompetence or corruption - or both? The Tories are to allow both Stagecoach and Virgin Trains to cut short their East Coast franchise without financial penalty. A kick in the teeth for UK taxpayers who will have to foot the bill - and particularly galling after Virgin sued the NHS after failing to win a contract it wanted.