I am the same mate. Over the years I’ve been so passionate about city proud to say it. Really hard to say but until these clowns aren’t there I can’t be bothered any more.
From a purely neutral perspective ... the meeting has now issued a challenge to all the supporters group to show them how to do concessions and how to brand the club .. is that not a small victory ??? I hope the groups come together with a well thought out method on both ... will say however he is right on the adult ticket pricing and even the attendees acknowledged it so concessions will be at a price which is fair enough when you look at the stats price wise
I might work on a new demonstration i thought about using a few drones on match day.. They can carry banners you know
Do you attend any games, Ben? (No criticism intended) I boycotted up until it was clear that nothing was going to make a difference (the summer of 2016) once they lost the name-change battle and nothing changed, but simply got worse). I now attend the games that suit me (and not the board’s resident cretin). They’ll always be ****s, simple as. They have had ample communication with supporters and look where we are. The nature of their selection process: uninviting critics, the February refresher, the SAG snub, really does smack of ‘first they came for...’. They understand, absolutely, what is needed and why that is, so why are they dressing their latest initiative with false ignorance. Can you have a stab at a probable change, of any significance, that will come from the next 2 months? I’m a member of the Trust and CTWD before that and I certainly do not feel that the Trust has represented me in this. The Trust attended because they wanted to, not because they didn’t have a choice, they obviously did have a choice. They are elected to make those decisions, just as memberships can be cancelled if thought necessary. I think the Allam game plan is to engage the supporter groups they choose to recognise, whilst goading the protestors into further, probably more extreme protests. They have learned tactics and how to divide and conquer. Yes, they are total ****s.
Exactly the way I feel. A hundred times too. This tin pot meeting has achieved nothing and will lead to nothing. It's not positive at all. It's Ehab and dad chuckling away that they've managed to get some protesters thinking it's small steps and is progress. I say this with an apathetic tone... they won't use Hull City on any correspondence ever again. They won't get rid of the membership scheme or restore proper concessions of their own free will. The utter contempt for Hull City fans is still there for all to see. I'm sorry, but those of you who think this meeting is a positive step are deluded. I can understand your wishful thinking though, but lessening your Allams Out view because of a meeting with 8 fans is playing into their hands. The stress ball protest has obviously been an embarrassment to them. So they have moved their chess pieces resulting in a pretend dialogue with fans to try and stop any more protests and save them any more embarrassment. Wake up. They've not changed and won't change. As stated above they have tried to divide and conquer. They have certainly divided fans over the years, and sadly they're still dividing us more and more as time passes. It's been 4 years to the day since I last watched Hull City. And I won't be watching them again until the Allams have gone. #Out
Not only aimed at your post but all the others who raise the same two points FFS wake up. 1. what does it take to sort the re branding? no meetings, no plan, no need to re design a badge or logo just use the name Hull City. Who are the ones who can sort it? not the Trust, not the HCOSC not some selected representatives ONLY the Allams can. When Hull City is a multi million pound business, doing the same thing as many others and run by super duper self made millionaires why do they need to ask a bunch of amatures how to arrange the pricing?
I can remember when the supporters only contributed 6% of revenue for the Club. We were irrelevant and subsequently treated like ****. The club was being run for the benefit of the shareholders - the fans don't matter, they can die when they want. Now it's becoming apparent to the shareholders that those days are over. The Club now needs the supporters. The shareholders need the customers. But they've left in their droves. The Allams have ****ed it up and they'll never repair it. It should and could have been so different. Some people will claim a successful period in our history. I think it's one of the saddest.
Well let's look at what is to action going forward: Actions The Vice-Chairman asked the Committee to go away and consider a pricing model that they feel would appease their concerns. There must be an acknowledgment that a return to pre-Membership pricing would have to include an increase in adult prices. These have been halved in some cases so it is impossible to maintain at these levels and then drop significantly again to include a concession. The Club will review the possibility of adding students to the concession bracket and also the possibility that a Member could buy a concession/junior match ticket without an adult match ticket. Actions The Vice-Chairman committed to maintaining the Committee’s frequency and even suggested increasing the meetings to bi-monthly if required. It will not always be possible for the Chairman and Vice-Chairman to attend every meeting but there will be an increased effort to attend. This was welcomed and seen as a positive step by the Committee. The current Committee is due to expire at their final scheduled meeting in February at which point there would be a refresh with the opportunity for new Members to apply. Actions EA offered the Committee the opportunity to come up with amends to the brand guidelines which are easy to follow, consistent, and would create a clear set of guidelines for the Club to follow. There was an offer to consider a change of the crest after supporter consultation. EA asked for a proper process and sufficient time allowed for groups to consult their members, it deserves time and effort not a quick fix. Actions EA hoped that this meeting would encourage the supporter base to continue supporting the players through a positive atmosphere. The offer of meaningful constructive dialogue is designed to separate the off-pitch issues from a matchday. Backing the team is crucial to improving performances. So 1. fans to come up with an acceptable pricing policy without reducing gate receipt income, possibly including a concession for students and allowing non-adults to attend with concessions. 2. Continue having meetings every 3 months, every 2 if necessary. 3. Offer guidelines to tell the club what they can and can't do re: club name, nickname etc. 4. Tentatively consider a new club crest after significant consultation. 5. Show the team nothing but support during matches to aid performances.
I didn’t do any last season, I was offered the chance to attend on other’s Memberahips but didn’t. I came over a few times to participate in protests, piss ups & AGMs but on each occasion snubbed the game. This season I’ve done Donny, Derby & Barnsley away. They were pay on the gate. I will do my best not to give them my cash. I don’t want them to have it, they don’t deserve it, they haven’t earned it. I’ll keep it for now. My non attendance is all to with me not them. I’m doing what’s right for me, maintaining my values & principles is the right thing to do. The difference it makes is to me & will change for the worse if I attend. I’m not optimistic that anything will change. If nothing does change then it should be because of them, not us. If something does change it will be because of us. I contacted the Trust prior to the meeting & confirmed my stance. I gave them my views & opinions. I’m happy that they’ve fulfilled their obligation & commitment to me. The Trust has privately, publicly, & loudly requested dialogue with the club, specifically the owners, since it's inception. Refusing this dialogue now it’s been offered would go against their written objectives.
EA offered the Committee the opportunity to come up with amends to the brand guidelines which are easy to follow, consistent, and would create a clear set of guidelines for the Club to follow. Does that suggest that there are current brand guidelines which could be ammended? If so did anyone at the meeting ask to see them? Or creating a clear set of guidelines for the club to use from scratch, an impossible task.
Isn't that what the trust etc want ? ... to be involved and have a say or at least have the chance to ?
Ok Ehab that's great, thanks. Now we obviously need some information. To start with can you tell us membership numbers and then match by match gate receipts/ attendances since the membership scheme was introduced. Would then need to break these down into senior/adult/ children. Can you see this getting beyond the first hurdle? And, wouldn't want to teach you about business, as I have seen your cv but if you showed some genuine conciliatory intent by reintroducing a new pricing plan including concessions AND at the same time re branding, I wonder if attendances would increase, thus raising gate receipt income. A bit radical I know.
Well, the committee have got 3 weeks to find a solution, with adult prices rising to cover the concessions.
I know they have, Ben. Perhaps there was a point when this should have been reviewed; I thought and said that point was when they shamelessly removed concessions. Organisations, as well as people, are allowed to change their stance; after all, that is what we are demanding the Allams do - isn’t that one of the fundamental practices of a union rep?
This is difficult to understand as neither the OSC or Trust reports thought these important actions worthy of mention.
The next chance to do that would be at the next AGM, if raised. It wasn't raised at the last one. I’ve never demanded anything except dignity & fair play in over 20 years as a rep. All other things have been achieved through transparency, consultation & negotiation. With the companies I’ve been involved with you find once decisions are made they won’t be changed altough they can be altered through meaningful discussions, but rarely by demanding.
I kind of agree, although they do have some discretion, hence their elected status. As was discussed by some of us, the style being used of demanding things is simply antagonistic.
Of course adult prices would rise to cover them ... did you really think any different ? ... as was agreed by the committee its the "idea" of concessions not the price that they object to and they understand that prices have to rise for adults to cover this
