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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    The UK has every right to reduce its corporation tax rate down to the Irish level or even lower. It is no business of the fiddling eurocrats whatsoever. Many countries have a free trade deal with the EU without the so called obligations, why should the UK be treated any different?
     
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    Oi - that's Scotland's national animal you're defiling. Kindly desist...:)
     
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    This must be the height of conspiracy theories - a moth eaten document written by an 'unknown author' - claimed to be a top civil servant, but then how would they know that if he was unknown ? You really are dredging the barrel SH.
     
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    You love to conjure up visions of this secretive European super state which is going to eat away your sovereignty don't you ? Can you tell me one law which originated from Brussels which has changed your life for the worse ? Brussels has left you your currency, your constitutional sovereignty, your political system, your voting system, your army etc.etc. just about everything intact. Your darling Thatcher sold off more sovereignty through the selling off of state assets to Arabs, Americans and everyone else who could afford them than the EU. has ever taken away from you, so stop spewing out this crap at every turn.
     
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  9. oldfrenchhorn

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    "We're suffering from the aftermath of a financial crisis that's had a big effect on the UK economy," says Paul Johnson, the head of the economic think tank, Institute for Fiscal Studies.

    That's one of the big reasons why people's wages are still lower on average than they were in 2008.

    The UK was hit hard, partly because of its big reliance on financial services, he says. There have also been problems with under-investment, as well as inflation after the Brexit vote."

    Seeing as the economy still relies on financial services to a large extent, how is watching them relocate across the channel going to improve the lot of those struggling to get by? Today people are being told not to expect things to improve in the next five years, yet they see billions of pounds being set aside to employ countless civil servants. Something very wrong here.
     
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  10. superhorns

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    The Tories successfully reduced state workers by 500,000 and created over 3 million private sector jobs. Adding a few thousand civil servants for a while is a small price to pay for freedom from the slippery slope to an EU superstate.
     
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    Who has asked you to join an EU superstate ? Has anyone asked you to change your money ? Or your constitution, or your political system ? Or to enter Schengen ? You have not yet told me one law forced through by the EU. on poor old 'suffering' Britannia that you see as negative.
     
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  12. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Back into Express mode I see. What this government is now proposing is the largest expansion of civil servants for 20 years. So what makes you think that all these border guards, customs officials, etc are only there for the short term?
     
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    The number of extra civil servants employed will be a tiny fraction of those that have been relocated from the previously bloated state under Labour into private sector jobs. There was a lot of whinging at the time that the Tories reducing the size of the state would lead to a massive increase in unemployment, in fact the opposite happened.
     
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  14. oldfrenchhorn

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    Yes there was a reduction, but you haven't addressed the question of why you think this sudden increase is only for a short period. 5,000 will have to be employed we are told just to deal with immigration issues. Front line customs, backroom staff, HMRC cannot deal with their current workload. All lovely pie in the sky thinking until you start to get down to real issues.
     
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    So the UK is only paying for 495,000 less state workers not 500,000. You need a sense of perspective, or is your maths dodgy?
     
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    It would appear that you once again have not thought it all through. Did I say that only 5,000 new civil servants were needed? No I was just quoting figures for a single department.

    The country has sold off many of the areas that it used to deal with, disposing of the people to private companies. In some areas this might be a good thing to do, but in others it has been a disaster. Overall we have seen a government desperate to get money from every available source, slowly sinking from a decent economy to one that is now propping up all of the big ones. It is sad to watch the decline of a country that could never bring itself to be a full member of the EU, and while those other countries forge ahead with the best growth in a decade, the UK is sinking. I am sure you will not agree, but when you look at all the projections from whatever source, the UK is going in the wrong direction.
     
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    With some EU countries it is the only growth they have had in ten years whilst the UK has had years of superior growth.

    You are welcome to keep bashing the UK if it somehow justifies your move to France. France has more than its share of problems high debt, high unemployment and a president that is pushing for a superstate. As France is the most eurosceptic country in the EU it is no wonder he is the most unpopular President in history. The EU is rife with far right parties gaining influence in many countries. I am much more confident in the UK's future than you should be about France.
     
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    I really cannot make you out sometimes SH. One minute you are supporting the policies of the Labour opposition, then you say you don't know what their policies are. The next minute you are saying that the government could do things, and they should try it. Then when it is pointed out that the EU is growing three times as fast as the UK with France almost catching up with Germany, all you can do is ignore the fact that the UK is sinking under the policies of this government. Sometimes I think you don't quite know what you do think.
     
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    I think you want the world to mirror your simple life in the French outback. You should stick to talking about bread if politics is too complicated for you.
     
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  20. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    And there I was thinking that tonight you were trying to think about what you support. Back to the insults, so end of conversation.
     
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