Match Day Thread 2017/18 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

To be honest Carl my post was just Diego bait, but I agree with what you say.

 

There's Rochdale as well

 

'I never had something like this' - Klopp on Moreno redemption
Jürgen Klopp admits he has never before seen a turnaround as striking as Alberto Moreno's at Liverpool in his 16-year managerial career.


The Spaniard made just two Premier League starts for the Reds last season, with Klopp instead preferring to deploy midfielder James Milner at left-back.

Following the arrival of another left-sided defender in Andy Robertson this summer, it appeared Moreno would again struggle for regular game time in 2017-18.

However, the 25-year-old has responded to the challenge, nailing down a starting berth and impressing fans and pundits alike with his performances.

Moreno was again in fine fettle as Southampton were swept aside at Anfield on Saturday, despite becoming a father for the second time in the early hours of that morning.

And Klopp reserved special praise for his left-back after the match, citing his return to the starting XI as deserved reward for his attitude last season and this.
Alberto Moreno @lfc18alberto
18th Nov 18:57
Great game today guys !! We have to keep going like that boys #weareliverpool #reds #ynwa #anfield #amp18

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"I never had something like this, I never had it to be honest," he told Liverpoolfc.com.

"This season is not a surprise, the surprise is how dealt with last season. There was not one bad word in the whole season.

"Yes, he was in my office, yes, he asked what he could do better, and we spoke about the things he had to do better.

"On the other hand, Milly played really well and he's a machine, he could play every two days, so there was not a lot of reasons to make the change then he had no rhythm.

"I felt that it was unfair after the season, I thought, 'Damn, we didn't use him often enough'.

"Before the season, he came to my office and asked again and I told him we get another full-back but it was not the plan for Milly to be in the full-back race again so you decide what happens - and he decided it.

"He's now a much better defender, that's how it is, he's a brilliant footballer.

"When you see him shooting here, you think he cannot shoot - he shoots like crazy! It's unbelievable how good he is! In the games so far, obviously, it didn't settle.

"How he reacted on last year is really, really good."
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/fir...omething-like-this-klopp-on-moreno-redemption

 

I think if you read the above one key topic comes up that klopp regulalry states:

rythmn.

its actually a surpise the guy hasn't 23 kids considering he loves it so much.....

but seriously. Robertson hasn't got a sniff when IMO he should have got a few games especially v maribor. Maybe klopp just thinks robertson hasn't played so can't come in?

Maybe i'd beleive it more if robertson got a sniff of even u23 game

 

I think he can afford to support them, the way he's going.

 

the Rugby & in particular cricket are red herrings in this discussion as both games constantly stop unlike football.
Just wait to see the reaction when we play the Mancs at Anfield and they appeal for a pen for handball which ref waves away. After 3 mins of uninterrupted play Salah slams in the only goal of the game with just 30 seconds of injury time. Mourinho appeals to VAR who deides it was handball and scrubs out our goal awards the pen which Ibra slots home.
luckily we will all just turn to our mates & hgo "i'm glad they came to the right decision in the end"

Having seen it in use at U20 world cup i thought the decisions by the VAR were ,at the least, questionable on a number of occasions.

 

you would be surpirsed how little difference there is between rugby and football really in terms of play. Yes there are longer stoppages and more "complex" set pieces where a penalty or conversion might take a minute BUT in general play theres a lot of play.

yes cricket is different at test level where is one minute one ball. Theres a clearl (and sometimes very long looking) 30 seconds to request a review.

but the point must be..... if you've seen a game lately with 3 mins of uninterrupted play well done.

What you are describing would NEVER occur in rugby BTW. there is a clear rule about how many phases back a video ref can go to review a goal. Clearly what you describe would require a review for the pen incidence and if no appeal is made the game moves on.

In the end someone has to decide something and IMO its ok to say the thing is so marginal there no decision to be made.

This all fits into the type of hypothesis testing you are doing

the null = there was no foul
the alternative = there was a foul

Then you should be testing to see if you can reject the null.. i.e. unless proven otherwise there was no foul is the assumed situation.

It really ought no be complicated. look for intent, see the issues, book the divers... etc.

I mean how many pens have we all see and gone... that guy is just looking for contact or sticks out a leg. surely this would put the fear into the ****s not to be flopping about holding thier faces etc?

I'd love the rule to be ok. ask. great. but you asked and you were SEEN play acting so now you get booked for it.

 

Why do we watch football? For entertainment surely? By its very nature it's not a game that will benefit from constant interruption. I prefer it warts and all, and the controversy is part of it. If we remove the human element, no matter how frustrating, we might as well all be playing a computer game. By all means strive for fairness, but not at the expense of all the elements that make the game so good.

Future Football Fan comes home to be greeted by Future Football Fan's Wife.
She says "How was the game today, love?"
" It was fantastic, there were no goals, no goalmouth incidents, no fluid exciting footie. But the fairness, wow, it was unbelievable!"

 

I agree we don't want the game sanitised but as a major improvement I would like to see refs training souped up as it's simply not a very high standard. Playing levels are improving year on year but the level of refereeing isn't keeping up.

 

i take it you have never seen Rugby League

 

I can't stand it mate but thst wriggly mud wrestling isnt real rugby

 

You know entertainment is a priority for me when watching football but change doesn't mean boring.

 

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In my best Sisu impression
I totally believe that VAR was ****ed up deliberatly last year as the decisions weren’t difficult but now they can point to that screw up.
As much as I would hate it in the example above I can accept that more than the usual feeling mugged off feeling and ranting about bentasfuck

 

I like both codes
There was one at twickenham this week that was so difficult but how often does that happen? One overriding rule like any doubt defers to attacking team solves that.
As for Tmo in league - I actually think it adds to the game - protests from players and subsequent bookings take way longer than most tmo’s Imho lmao

 

Own goal video

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42054992

TBF the GK had an age to get on his line and doesn't even raise his arms

 

Bugger that!!

To suggest that a game of Rugby Union (or kick and clap as it's known in RL land) has the ball in play most of the time is way off. Your lucky if it's in play for 25-30 mins out of the 80 mins. It stops all the time, even more so with the advent of the TMO. Watching 6 scrums go down in a row is as entertaining as watching paint dry.
I don't mind the All blacks as they try to keep the ball in hand most of the time but the level of stop-start in most RU games would kill football.

TBF to league, the ball is in play for far more of the game as the set piece isn't really a set piece at all, just a way to restart the game with the forwards tied in.

Cricket is completely different so a red herring really.

I don't want a TMO clogging footy up. Maybe for marginal pen decisions but that would be all and i'm not sure about that TBH.

 

Tbh football has on average about 60mins put of 90 and rugby is about 44mins out of 80. There is a difference but it's mostly in the kicking of pens.

Shocking isn't it.

 

Don't forget that the clock stops in union lots of the time. So the 80 mins of play actually lasts about 100 mins in real time, so it's stopped for a fair bit more than it's actually flowing.

RU can be excruciating to watch at times.

 

and league can't?

this is completely mixing up the topic of video replay and mechanics of each sport

I fail.to see how football would not simply find it's own way and times ro review info.

My ideal would be a live 5th offical making live judgements and communicating to ref with ref having the option to stop and have something reviewed.

the amount of times we see actual controversy needing a call is what one or two times a game!