Match Day Thread 2017/18 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

That's rubbish. They still go on about the 66 world cup final goal now, and that was over 50 years ago.

No one in the history of football has ever turned to their mate "ref said no" and completely accepted any ridiculous decision made by the referee.

 

Don't get out much do you.

 

Yea, I talk with real people, I don't make up fantasy scenarios and characters to justify nonsense arguments like you do

 

If that makes you feel better

 

You watch a team that since the PL era has used bank balances to influence decisions

 

I even watched them before that, and went to games

 

Im not disagreeing with you on whether it should shouldn’t be used.

All lll I said was technology and how 100% I’d someone is on or off.

Do i think it should be used? No... see my earlier posts about why it shouldn’t too many issues for my liking around how it’s used

 

Yes it will bring a fairer game if technology is used on this. Just like the goal line technology has done.
What we have is a rule, whether the rule should be changed for many of the reasons discussed, ie scoring part of body being your chest 20 yards out is another debate, the rule as is, however, is clear.
In this case the technolgy tells you whether or not the rule is being broken or not. Expert opinion at that point is irrelevant. You may get a 1in 1000 chance where really cant tell but the rule should just state in this instance to always go with attacking team then everyone will benefit eventually. Will it be 100% No but will be damn sight fairer than it is currently.
The game has always been changed to make it better, faster, fairer, even things like changing the type of ball used.
Just wait till balls with chips in them start to swerve unusally and there is a bloke with a joystick by the side of the pitch

 

Agreed
I liked the days where players came from the area in which they were born. But alas, those days are well gone.

 

Sounds like he should be forcing teams, like Jose does to set him on as manager. Bobby is a good coach/manager. He just had a style that doesn’t fit with English league football.

 

You can really tell who's old when the technology debate starts

 

Yeah, because your club can afford to buy success, if perhaps you supported your local club Oldham you'd have a different view on Astros comment.

 

dear oh dear he really does sound Like a spoiled brat that gets a Ferrari for her sweet 16 and Bieber plays at her party.

 

ARSENE WENGER MASTERMIND:

OCCUPATION: MANAGER

SPECIALIST SUBJECT: BEATING SPURS.

 

Proper technophobes wouldn't even be on here.

It's just that there seems to be an assumption that newer is automatically better, when lots of things are ruined by "improvements".
The debate is about whether or not the technology actually improves the game, it doesn't have to be used simply because it exists.

 

But buying success is no longer that simple. Look at the mancs who spent huge amounts post Ferguson and although have won some cups have not had the success expected if money spent equated with success.

In a way all the big clubs are trying to buy success. Have Real Madrid and Barcelona not been doing this for decades? They buy (or extract ) the best players of other teams. Real did this to the mancs with Ronaldo and Barcelona doing this by trying to buy Coutinho and others for enormous amounts. What about PSG buying Neymar for nearly £200m even though the club didn't want to let him go. It seems every big club is at it. What about Bayern who buys any key player that emerge from their German rivals? City spent the most money last summer and therefore they should be top? Doesn't Pep deserve some credit for identifying the weaknesses and then buying to strengthen?

We are not buying top expensive players. But is this a virtue if we are not challenging the likes of City for the title. I wished there was a trophy for the best achievement for the least money spent but I don't think this would be a valid measure of success.

 

my view is it works for rugby just fine. it works for cricket just fine.

the goal line thing works just fine. I just wish they would wire the signal to a light on the stanchion not to the refs watch so we can be sure it really is in or not and not just a ref blowing up.

its clear that a ref getting a bit of assistance.... even if it takes 20 seconds. a word in the ear form a 5th official on the old tv replays before a red card or if a goal might be offside is absolutely no harm at all. You see refs buying time before a decision loads on cards. it'd give them a perfect excuse to tell loud mouth players to **** off away cos their mouths mean nothing due to the TV pics. I would contend we prob lose more time around contentious issues with players surrounding ref and trying to influence than we would having a 5th official look at replays.

 

Building culture is harder than building a team of individuals is my opinion.

Real, barca, bayern. there is culture of success. it comes form the very top and the fans etc. It seems to me utd lost the upper levels with the glaziers relying on Ferguson for everything and once he was gone there was a vacuum at the top. CEO/Tehcnical directors etc..... thats where the forward thinking and focus is low.

City for YEARS have been a team of individuals that crack at times. Only time will tell if guardiola has actually made a team out of them.

 

I think you are right. It is what's considered acceptable to the club and to the fans. If Real or Bayern were to come third (or even second) that would be considered unaccpetable and a failure. Worse if it happened 2 years in a row. Heads will roll. The manager would be sacked. More money will be spent to recruit the best players.

We have allowed managers to stay for too long even when they have not delivered. Our fans have slowly come to accept that challenging for the title is no longer a given like in the 70s and 80s. It will take a very long time to reverse that mindset, especially when we have owners who insist on the finance bottom line.

 

Chelsea were average when Roman took over. He put in enough money to drag them to the top when no-one else could compete at that level. Having got there, there's no need for the same level of input because with shrewd management you can buy and sell to stay there.
They bought up far more players than they could ever use, just to prevent rivals from having them, because they could afford to.
You're right in one sense, that it isn't as easy any more - for them, because others are at it as well. But neither Chelsea nor City would be where they are if it weren't for the sudden input of vast amounts of money from outside of the game.

The clubs you mention are all the European super-elite, there's no point comparing them with each other, the comparison has to be with others within their own leagues.
As I've said often before, surely the days of a European Super League can't be far off? It's pointless for some of those big guns to even be in their domestic leagues most of the time. It takes the game another step away from the grass-roots fans, whose interests are becoming increasingly peripheral.