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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    how did we get on with travel before the eu
    did you need a visa to travel to france
    i seem to remember it being visa free in 1944
     
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  2. durbar2003

    durbar2003 Well-Known Member

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    It was always harder to get back into England than to go to France especially with all the booze a ***s stashed around the inside of the car!!
     
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  3. rangercol

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    With respect, you are of course entitled to whatever opinions you have, but why the need to preach to everyone else? Often, your posts are entirely about what you have achieved and nothing about the points being discussed. Still.......each to their own.
    As it happens I am far from narrow minded and get my info from varied sources. I also have a healthy work/life balance and have experience of many different walks of life. You're not the only one who knows a thing or two about life.

    I would guess that you're extremely stressed in your life, judging by how many things you say you're worrying about.
     
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  4. QPR Oslo

    QPR Oslo Well-Known Member

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    Here's "the arch Eurosceptic MP" showing how he """backs"""(?) his Brexit views as an MP with the financial advice he gives in a second job providing financial advice:

    The Guardian.
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    John Redwood criticised over advice to pull money out of UK

    Labour criticises Eurosceptic MP for telling investors to ‘look further afield’ because of the state of the UK economy

    Jessica Elgot

    Monday 13 November 2017 14.03 GMTLast modified on Tuesday 14 November 2017 01.00 GMT

    Labour has criticised the arch-Eurosceptic MP John Redwood for “talking down Britain” after he recently wrote a column of financial advice in which he recommended investors “look further afield” because of the state of the UK economy.

    In the piece for the Financial Times, the Conservative MP – who has a £180,000 second job as chief global strategist for Charles Stanley – said the European Central Bank was promoting faster growth when the UK was seeing a squeeze on credit.

    “Mario Draghi, ECB president, is now doing whatever it takes, not just to rescue the euro but to promote a much-needed economic recovery,” he wrote. He also compared the US and Japan’s approach favourably to the UK’s.

    The piece was published on 3 November but came to greater prominence after a scathing comment piece was published over the weekend by a Forbes commentator, Frances Coppola, who wrote that the MP had “advocated a course of action by the UK government that he knows would seriously damage the UK economy”.

    Coppola wrote: “To protect his job as an investment manager, he warned his wealthy clients to get their money out before the disaster hits. To me, this smacks of disaster capitalism. Engineer a crash while ensuring your own interests are protected, then clean up when it hits. This is despicable behaviour by a lawmaker.”

    Peter Dowd, Labour’s shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, said: “This is yet another Tory MP openly admitting the chancellor’s poor record on the economy means we need to change course in the budget, proving yet again that they are clearly losing the economic argument.

    “Even worse than other calls from Tory MPs is the fact that this one is talking down Britain and encouraging investors to invest in other countries instead. It speaks volumes for the government’s bungling of the Brexit negotiations, and their mismanagement of our economy.”

    Tom Brake, the Liberal Democrats’ Brexit spokesman, also criticised the column, calling the advice “sheer hypocrisy” from an MP who had promoted leaving the EU.

    “He is advising investors to move their money out of the UK, all the while pushing in parliament for a destructive hard Brexit that would see even more investment desert the country,” Brake said.

    “Major investors may be able to move their money abroad, but it is ordinary people who will suffer from the impact of a hard Brexit on jobs and living standards. The fact that even arch-Brexiteers are now losing confidence in Brexit Britain shows why we must give people a chance to think again and, if they choose to, stay in the EU.”

    Redwood, who does not mention the Brexit vote in his piece, has been a long-time critic of the approach of the Bank of England governor, Mark Carney. He wrote in the FT article that the bank was “busily arguing with itself”.

    “I sold out of the general share ETFs [exchange traded funds] in the UK after their great performance for the year from early July 2016 when I saw the last budget and heard the BoE’s credit warnings,” Redwood wrote. “The money could be better put to work in places where the authorities are allowing credit to expand a bit, to permit faster growth.”

    The MP for Wokingham has also previously criticised the cautious approach of the chancellor, Philip Hammond, tweeting that he must “get the Treasury to have more realistic, optimistic forecasts and to find the money for a successful economy post-Brexit”.

    Redwood’s duties for Charles Stanley include chairing the bank’s investment committee and writing twice-weekly market review and investment reports, totalling around 75 hours per quarter, according to the register for members’ interests.

    Downing Street would not comment directly on his advice to investors. Asked whether Theresa May agreed with Redwood that it was time for financiers to start pulling their money out of the UK, the prime minister’s spokesman said: “We are working to secure a good deal for Britain and also a deal that works for the European Union. We think we’re heading in the right direction and we’re confident of achieving that.”
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    How could anyone vote for a C*** like that.
     
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  5. sb_73

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    The bullshit wouldn’t exist if the Government and the EU would simply say what they are trying to achieve re borders and travel. They say they are ‘close to agreement’, why the **** should it be secret?

    It’s good to see someone of the radical left speaking up clearly for leaving Stainsey, it’s obviously the correct ideological position. Just don’t look at your bedfellows too closely. Seems no one sings the Internationale any more.
     
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  6. Staines R's

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    Or of course the rumours and bullshit could be being spread by fools and idiots or those intent on malicious gossip ?

    In my house the kids are made to sing The Internationale in front of a big picture of Comrade Jezza every morning before school.....get ‘em while they are young, eh ;)
     
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    How did the interview go mate?
     
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  8. Star of David Bardsley

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    Sounds quite sensible. I'd expect someone in such a position to be sensible rather than having their head in the sand.
     
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  9. Staines R's

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    I think it went ok mate, thanks for asking. Problem is I’m so far out of the loop after 30 years as to reading how I came over and the interviewers reaction, added to the fact there were a lot of very strong candidates, I really don’t know if I’ll get it or not.
    Should find out this week I hope so I’ll let you know
     
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  10. ELLERS

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    They can buy a house up north for 40K. Besides what you are saying is all relative. You cannot buy a house in the south of France or Paris for 40K like you cant on the south coast or London. Living in dreamland mate.
    Agree in some areas of France you can buy a cheap property but what is there? I saw a house for 35K last year in the middle of nowhere...No shops,schools,cinemas,pubs...nothing. If I was young and wanted stuff to do that would not be the place to live. On the other hand, if I was retired and wanted to be a recluse then the place was ideal. I have a house in France which I use for holidays.
    I bought it cheap a few years ago and enjoy going there however, I could never live and work there as it offers nothing in the way of jobs and lifestyle. I have many friends that have left the UK and now live in France and over time have met others. They all have one thing in common.....none of them have any regular work or money and many (as they have got older) have returned to the UK because of the NHS. Which I find weird as when I had an accident in France (I fell out of a caravan) I thought the hospital and treatment was fab.
    People can say it's 'living the dream' but plenty say it's a 'nightmare'. You can get cheap property but also expensive property just like the UK.
     
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  11. YorkshireHoopster

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    "They can buy a house up north for 40K................" Come up here and say that! Those days are gone, mate
     
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    It's more like a whole street.
     
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  13. durbar2003

    durbar2003 Well-Known Member

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    I think he meant to say they would give you a 40,000 house if you moved up north.
     
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  14. Lawrence Jacoby

    Lawrence Jacoby Well-Known Member

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    Agree no one knows. At the moment it is all very easy yet its difficult to see that things won't change. Having gone through passport control in the UK on a British passport I can then travel freely through the EU without any control ? Yet EU citizens cannot do the same entering the UK?

    I often nip to Cadaques or Figueres from my home in France. Going Forward on British Passport I have no idea. One solution I read in France will be that a EU visa could be purchased and the amount of revenues that could be raised is £millions. No idea of any solution on the horizon. I have also heard that second homes in Paris could be subject to extra taxation

    A soft border in Ireland which will be a nightmare to police in the event of a stricter deal?
    You could see that border being used for everything and anything IMO. Travel routes could have many loopholes. Aviation another mess

    The Euro Tunnel 36% owned by USA shareholders 20% UK 6% Ireland 19% France ... I am sure business will attempt to influence any customs deal because if we block as do Europe then it looks to me that the business will not operate with the same efficiency. You need just one small incident IMO to turn the M2 into a car park
     
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  15. Lawrence Jacoby

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    LImousin?

    France is a massive country and you need a lot of exploring before you settle. I agree plenty of people cannot stick it in France same they may not be able to liven Wales. My partner and I have two houses in London and it's disgusting what they are currently worth. It's not right. We did what we did for a lifestyle change based on 35 years of owning in France (I have had 5 houses there) so you are talking to the wrong bloke. Paris like London are like countries within countries ...thats straightforward when applied to any large city in the world. Yes the French medial system is light years ahead of the NHS. Our NHS is brilliant but not sustainable IMO ... it needs rebuilding. Thankfully my job means i can work anywhere.

    A large percentage of Brits buying in France have fallen foul of their own stupidity I agree 100%
    Many haven't a clue re the extreme weather etc. I am now living with real people in my community and both my partner and I would in balance live in France full time and visit the UK just to shop ... or watch QPR live.
     
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  16. Lawrence Jacoby

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    Well said there is still a stupid perception in the South. I want to see a day where a house in Wigan is the same price or similar to that in Haywards Heath.

    The southern housing boom is disgusting IMO

    £40K buys a great motorhome if we can afford the petrol
     
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    Amazing it has taken so long.
     
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    Weren't YouGov the lot that called it wrong?
     
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    Well that clinches it for me...... the polls are never wrong....are they ?
     
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