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Religion is Bullsh*t, Get over it, and support science.

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Kyle?, Aug 18, 2011.

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Are Gods Real?

  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. I've seen Led Zep live, therefore, God's do exist.

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  1. PleaseNotPoll

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  2. Depay Sound

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    Because he is making the altimate sacrifice. Jesus preached the word to people as did his disciples/followers who continued to spread the word after his death.
     
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    He didn't make a sacrifice though, BV.
    He didn't lose anything.
     
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  4. Erik

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    <laugh>

    OK, this guy is definitely trolling us. He's not even arguing against the points.

    I've also just seen the thread he created, and there's nothing pleasant or "Christian" about it.
     
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    As I say it was more the suffering of Jesus than his actual death.
     
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    I am addressing your points.

    What about my other thread? Just because I believe in God doesn't mean I let religion control my life. I still drink, have a laugh etc and enjoy myself, I'm not an extremist!
     
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    He suffered for a couple of days.
    Hardly a big deal, in the scheme of things.
    Definitely not the ultimate sacrifice.

    Are you trolling?
    It's always hard to tell.
     
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    I'm trying to answers your questions. If you don't want me to post answers then don't ask questions! I had left this article before you started asking more questions.
     
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  9. Erik

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    No you are not.

    I repeat: How does it prove his love!? How does it open people's eyes, and why is a violent torture of His son by the people He is trying to save the only way to do this!? How does it spread the word!?
     
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    I have already told you what I believe the answers to be!
     
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    You haven't told me why it was necessary to do things in such a morbid, typically "Human" fashion.

    What 'sin' was there exactly? Why was 'absolving of sin' necessary, when 'sins' in those days included the anti-Biblical crime of wearing clothing of different materials together, yet today, when we see sin as including child abuse and rape, it is not?

    Why, if sin was cleansed from Humanity and people were 'perfect' again, did sin arise once more? Not once, but TWICE at least (post-Noah and post-Jesus).

    Why, if sin was cleansed from Humanity, were people not allowed once again into Eden?

    Why is it necessary for us to know about Adam and Eve committing original sin, yet not about the sins that plunged Humankind back into darkness after the cleansing of Noah's Flood and of Jesus' death and resurrection? (Especially now so many religious figures have realised Adam and Eve aren't real, and are now just a 'metaphor').

    I could go on and on.
     
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  12. Jerel Ifil

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    Hey Edmund!
     
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  13. Depay Sound

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    God did things in a "human" way to relate to people and so that people would understand.

    Jesus said that sin was mistreating others, greed etc. The sins indentified by authorities and religious leaders at the time were not necessarily the same sins in the eyes of God.

    Sin still occurred after sins had been resolved because people still had free will.

    Supposedly God saved all those people in "Hell" and/or "purgery" when he absolved sins.
     
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    Yonner.
     
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  15. Jerel Ifil

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    Behave.
     
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  16. Depay Sound

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    :emoticon-0173-middl
     
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    1. That's not what I meant, but I really can't be arsed to explain. It was a comparatively minor point anyway.

    2. But that 'law' is in The Bible. It surely must have come from God.

    3. You fool, that is exactly the point. It is impossible for humanity to be 'cleansed' of sin without removing their free will, so what exactly was the point in the whole Jesus charade!? In giving 'free-will' God has knowingly, deliberately created something that is IMPERFECT.

    4. I think you mean Purgatory! :undecided: The idea of Heaven and Hell existing raises even more questions, but I'm not even going to bother asking those until I've had a satisfactory reply to the ones I have already posed.
     
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    I'll bump that thread of you scoring in a Leeds shirt if you don't simmer down, Wheeler!
     
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  19. Depay Sound

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    The Bible wasn't written until after Jesus' death.

    Humanity was cleansed of the sins that had already been committed, free will wasn't removed.

    I have tried to answer all of the questions that have been fired at me and have admitted when I haven't know the answer.
     
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    If I remember right, then the Christian doctrine goes like this.

    Prior to the death and resurrection of Christ, all sinners were damned.
    That basically meant everyone.
    After his sacrifice, anyone could be absolved of all sins by believing in him and asking the Lord for forgiveness.
    You could still sin, but if you genuinely repented then God would forgive any sin, barring blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
     
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