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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    Brexiters voted to regain control of our borders, regain sovereignty and to be able to trade with the rest of the world without being restricted by the cumbersome protectionist EU. Most of the EU members are dominated by France and especially Germany, it is not in the interest of these minor members to upset the leading lights too much.
     
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    Not much thought there in how much worse you expected things to be.
     
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  3. superhorns

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    I expected the eurocrats to take a selfish attitude in which damage is liable to be inflicted on both the UK and the EU. As their treatment of inhabitants of many Southern European nations has proved collateral damage to the masses is a price worth paying to keep the 'project' on its dodgy path. They rely on submissive members of the proletariat such as yourself to get away with their shenanigans. They are fooling most of the EU most of the time.
     
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    PROMINENT Brexiteer John Redwood has advised investors to avoid the UK and take their pounds elsewhere.

    Writing in the Financial Times, the veteran Wokingham MP suggested the smart money would be placed on the European Central Bank in an article titled 'Look further afield as the UK hits the brakes.'

    Mr Redwood, who described the economic gains of leaving the EU as "considerable" before the referendum, wrote: "I sold out of the general share ETFs in the UK after their performance for the year from early July 2016 when I saw the last Budget and heard the BoE's credit warnings.

    Who is taking who for a sucker?
     
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  5. superhorns

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    You are reading far too much into his comments. Firstly he has done rather well in producing a return of 8% in the last year. He is critical of the Bank of England in reducing access to funding and has identified areas where other financial authorities have a different attitude. He is also rightly critical of the recent tax changes to residential property that has damaged the market. His brief is to identify markets that will produce growth in the very short term, these are liable to change at short notice.

    This of course has nothing to do with his opinion, as well as the majority that voted leave in the referendum, that the UK would be better off outside of the EU.
     
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    In 1998 a bomb killed 29 people in Omagh. Today a pipe bomb was found in the same town as people were going to the Remembrance Sunday event.

    It shows that the Good Friday agreement has provided peace for many years, yet put a border back and the dissidents, who are still there, will use political uncertainty to start the fight all over again. This agreement is a legal international treaty, yet our government only seems to be worried about collecting taxes at a border. The problem has been created by the UK, and it is time for them to sort it out.
     
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    The Real IRA scumbags have had no respect for Good Friday Agreement, in fact they have carried on their violent attacks since it was signed. They are hell bent on a united Ireland without any borders. This has nothing to do with Brexit and/or minor border changes whatsoever. To pretend otherwise is to be disingenuous.
     
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    Perhaps you would like to tell us what the "minor border changes" involve?
     
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    You are asking SH. for a direct answer to a direct question Frenchie - this never works <laugh> Brexiters have always been very vague on this - they talk about 'taking back control of our borders', but never actually describe what they mean by this. Do they mean passport controls ? (we have them already) - do they mean turning back people with criminal records ? (we can do that already) - do they mean to issue all EU. citizens with visas ? (apparently they don't mean this either). So what exactly do they mean ? And how would this actually change the experience of physically crossing a British border for a law abiding German or French visitor ?
     
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    The UK government has yet to announce its plans for the border but it has indicated it would like it to be as frictionless as possible. It is the EU that is demanding a hard border.
     
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    So if the UK government has not announced its plans for the border, what are the minor changes to it that you talk about? You must be privy to some information.
     
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    They have often stated their preference for a border as frictionless as possible. Alas the government has so far failed to use my considerable talents by inviting me to participate in cabinet meetings. I am perched by the phone waiting to do my duty for the UK when needed. :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    The EU. has proposed that Northern Ireland remains within the single market and customs union - there is no appetite in the EU. for the creation of a hard border within Ireland. Their proposal is that border controls would shift to Irish sea ports. At any rate you cannot expect the EU. to want to leave a gaping hole on its external borders.
     
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    The EU should not attempt to be involved in UK internal politics. It was never a serious option for a part of the UK to have a different structure from the rest. I am all for NI to have a democratic say on it's future. I would welcome a united Ireland if it was the democratic will of the majority in the North.. I respect democracy by referendum.

    As the Irish are likely to be financially the most negatively effected EU member after Brexit the obvious answer is for them to leave as well. The Irish are dead against the fiscal straightjacket Macron has planned in his drive for an EU superstate.
     
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    You will agree that nobody has any interest in the creation of a hard border within Ireland - nobody in Ireland, the UK. or the EU. wants to see this. The EU. is not interfering when it makes suggestions of this sort - it is offering a possible solution, where no solutions appear to be coming from the British side. You can dream on if you think Ireland will leave the EU. They may be less enamoured with it than in the past, but they are a long way from wanting to actually leave it - particularly after the amount of EU. money which has been spent there on infrastructure. As for the 'fiscal straightjacket' which you refer to - is it conceivable, or desirable, that we tolerate tax oases within the EU. ? That we effectively give some parts of the EU. the free licence to rip off the rest ?
     
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