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John O' Shea...hear me out!!!!

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Cest Lives, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff Forum Moderator

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    Not exactly sure what he does wrong on the second video - the boro lad clearly plays the man from behind and it's a foul almost anywhere on the pitch - how that's O'Shea's fault I have no idea! Just don't see it? Saw free kicks given for far less loads of times throughout the game
     
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  2. Brian Storm

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    Seriously? He's weak as piss, how he allows the player to beat him I don't know. You power through and deal with it. He gave up his advantage and it nearly led directly to a goal. It wasn't a foul cause we play to the whistle. He's weak mate. Week after week players go through him and they aren't fouling, they're not excessive aggression. It's just JoS weak as piss. I don't see a foul anywhere.
     
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  3. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff Forum Moderator

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    We obviously see different things mate - The lad plays him from behind to me - not the ball - which makes it a foul as he's kicked him - which, as a defender, if you're not expecting it and you're adjusting to get the ball makes it easy to lose balance. I see that every week at my lads games and he's 13. The Bolton goal a few said he should be stronger but the lad who basically wiped him out was a 6' 7" mountain - around 19 stone and I thought that was a foul too (even moreso after seeing it a few times)

    I don't blame him at any point for the goal on Sunday as he's done by a 1-2 pass which we'd probably say was great football if we'd done it. Jones on the other hand?
     
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  4. Brian Storm

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    We'll have to disagree to disagree.
     
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  5. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff Forum Moderator

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    Aye it's happened in the past - be a boring as hell place if we all had the same opinion wouldn't it!! :)
     
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  6. Brian Storm

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    Aye, But agreeing to disagree is better than going round in circles like we appear to be doing with Karanka every single day. <laugh><doh>
     
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  7. red&white wanderer

    red&white wanderer Well-Known Member

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    I agree but JOS best days as a player were past when we signed him. Yes at (many) times he's a liability atm but his influence in the club seems to be huge. As a manager (or assistant ?) he could be very effective with his knowledge of the club.
     
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  8. Brian Storm

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    I think he's part of the problem. Saw a stat yeasterday. JoS and Lee Cattermole have played under a quarter of Sunderland managers(in the clubs entire history). Them with Short are the only constants at the club. Time for all three to go imo.
     
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  9. red&white wanderer

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    :emoticon-0148-yes: You may be right - I'm maybe looking at it more in hope and least disruption - but if JOS was manager and failed he would be jettisoned :emoticon-0149-no:
     
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  10. Brian Storm

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    We can't afford another failure, this is it, the most important appointment in our history, and he needs to be experienced and backed with support and money. Relegation could very easy lead to administration and league two 18months down the line if we get this wrong.
     
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    Clean sweep, a new start and fresh ferociously passionate players, loyal to their Captain, their Manager, their fans and the Club. A new manager has to cultivate that desire, with an owner that will back him, O'Shea, IMHO, is not the man to do that.
    Our present owner has made some utterly shocking and diabolical decisions and has, it seems, tried to drain the passion out of the club............Short, taxi awaiting, fek off please & take Oshea, Catermole, Kone, Rodwell and the likes with you......you might need a minibus.
    There is still passion at the club, it just needs rekindling. so fek the Mags & KTF:emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  12. red&white wanderer

    red&white wanderer Well-Known Member

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    Good call and the next manager will need to be able to bring some positive influence, to motivate the fans and players (soft skills) and be tactically aware and ruthless. Sports psychologist also needed. A huge task indeed but we were in not too dissimilar position when Drummaville appeared.
     
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  13. Commachio

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    You 2 faced ****.

    Make your mind up.
     
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  14. red&white wanderer

    red&white wanderer Well-Known Member

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    Ehh I was agreeing with him that JOS is not at his best but he can be decent at times. A major reason for our decline was also the involvement of Maggi Byrne when signing players and contracts - a horrific legacy has been left imo
     
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  15. Commachio

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    Maggie just signed the cheques, doubt very much she went out eyeing the players. Unless she wanted a bit of chucky.
     
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  16. red&white wanderer

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    Maybe not scouting but signed cheques and negotiated transfer fees & contracts. We are still suffering from the fallout imo and we are left with the fallout.
     
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  17. Jack TheLad

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    Issue there in my opinion is that she was even allowed in the room to do that in any case. She was a lawyer or something iirc so why she was all of a sudden making important decisions at my football club I’ll never know.
     
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  18. clockstander

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    Me neither.
     
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