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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Apart from the typo £9.00 per hour its entirely accurate.
    We are now a low skills low waged country.
    Under these Tory cnuts nearly every job is on minimum or living wage and don't even get me started on zero hours contracts.
    As manufacturing and finance moves offshore because of brexit we will only be left with warehouses and coffee shops.
     
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  2. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    lets all laugh at the typo... meanwhile the wealth of the country gets shared by fewer and fewer people at the top, and the best bits of the economy moves to the EU.
     
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    More cock, I don't know a single person on either. Granted there are low skilled workers on it, but to state nearly every job is on it is pure lies. You know WJ will be quoting another song at this.
     
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  4. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Go look at the jobs advertised in your local job centre.
    Average of less than £9.00 an hour unless you are in London.

    The nasty party don't have many apologists so that's a pretty niche group you are in.
    You did understand the graph ell posted that started this?
     
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    I did, and I would rather be where the UK is than the 7 countries left of the y axis. With inflation so low, at present and recent past, I do not see a problem with static wage growth or a slight contraction. But that is just my view and I'm sure yours will be different.
     
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    Well I just did a quick job search online for a job at the post office and they have vacancies starting at £10.80. So that's one random search and above what you stated nearly all jobs pay. You are wrong or I'm very lucky. Perhaps I should get a job, there appears to be plenty about and above the minimum wage, can't see why anyone is unemployed
     
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    You're both right and wrong based on your arguments

    https://home.kpmg.com/uk/en/home/insights/2017/11/kpmg-living-wage-research-2017.html

    The number earning below the living wage is 5.5 million (21% of the population) down from 100,000 last year but still 1 million up since 2012 - thanks nasty party...

    As the Living Wage is £8.75 this study obviously doesn't include those receiving that amount or just over it.

    The average wage is about £14 but also worth bearing in mind that the average house price is now 7.7 times the average wage.
     
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    I guess that means something to you, but I'm struggling with it.
     
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  9. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Get on their bikes and look for work, eh?
    With all these jobs available whose jobs are the immigrants stealing?
     
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    I don't know, you are the one bringing immigrants into it, perhaps you have a hidden agenda?
     
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    Yes your right Glory the millions of unskilled Europeans coming in have forced down wages,and house prices up,but I thought you were all for this carrying on,and not putting a stop to it.
     
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    2015 Net Migration to the UK hit record levels of 330,000 whilst in Germany it hit a record level of 1.14 million.

    In 2016 in Germany real wage growth was 1.8% and in the UK it was -0.3%

    In Germany rent for a one bedroom flat is 25% less on average than in the UK and house prices are on average 13% lower despite German wages being 10% higher.

    Both countries are in the EU - so again maybe, just maybe something else might be to blame?
     
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  13. Chippy / Glory

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    It has nothing to do with the EU or immigration. It's all to do with the Tories creating their utopian sweat shop society, and you wonder why people are fearful they will repeal workers rights.

    Christ on a bike. it took legal action to make them scrap the £1200 fee you had to pay if you wanted to fight a case of unfair dismissal.
     
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    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    There is no emoji for irony!!!
     
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    Probably because Germany's economic policies are very conservative, they hinder the EU recovery from the depression to keep the euro low and their exports high, so its not bad for Germany itself.
     
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    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    and now with Brexit we have tanked the pound and can undercut them with our low wage economy... You must be proud! <doh>
    #racetothebottom
     
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    Of course I'm proud, I'm not one of the idiots that voted on the losing side <doh>
     
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    And how many European companies have you been employed by? Not done work for, but actually employed by. I can assure you they don't all play by workers rights rules. The last one I worked for, when they did an internal poll, 48% of the workforce said they were actively looking to leave due to working conditions. The company answer was "good we can employ immigrant labour much cheaper"
     
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    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    I worked for three and all were streets ahead of their uk equivalent.
    But all three were German and we were given German T and Cs .
     
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    Yes would agree that the Euro has definitely helped Germany's export manufacturing industry but then they have also been helped by having a bigger manufacturing industry and also by their lack of stigma for vocational training and apprenticeships. They've also been helped by much closer labour relations between companies and staff to the point of having a place on the board so there was much more trust when austerity was introduced - so German workers were prepared to reduce hours to retain jobs to keep their industries competitive. (and yes not everything in the German economy is rosy by any stretch, the wealth divide is not good, they are desperately in need of investment in infrastructure and they have a brain drain to anglo saxon countries who better support entrepreneurship and they are keen to increase their economy with financial service *Frankfurt rubs hands at brexit*).

    But again I don't think the issues that hit the German economy and the British economy are not caused in the main by being members of the EU
     
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