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WTF is happening?
Should we not step back and look to what all this spin is diverting us from ?
We are just waiting for more
No of us had a clue about any of this now we are forced to eat it all?
Interesting to look back when I joined this forum we only did football ... now it’s has become our own current affairs channel ... multiply that by millions we have some idea of how news stories now feed us
Should we not step back and look to what all this spin is diverting us from ?
We are just waiting for more
No of us had a clue about any of this now we are forced to eat it all?
Interesting to look back when I joined this forum we only did football ... now it’s has become our own current affairs channel ... multiply that by millions we have some idea of how news stories now feed us
Far too much allegation in the media. Names should be witheld until guilt is proven wherever possible.
Agree in principle but I can’t see how you can secretly suspend a government minister. And if the allegations were such that he had to be suspended while they were investigated, the outrage if he hadn’t been would have been huge.
Well it now seems they don't actually exist, but Davis can come up with something in three weeks or so.
The EU, though, do have an impact assessment document, freely available.....
This paper, managed by the Policy Department on Economic and Scientific Policies for the Committee on Internal Market and Consumer Protection, assesses the likely impact of Brexit on EU27, together with some scenarios for the terms of the UK’s secession. For the EU 27, the losses are found to be virtually insignificant, and hardly noticed in the aggregate. By contrast, for the UK, the losses could be highly significant, over ten times greater as a share of GDP. Impacts on various Member States – in particular Ireland – and sectors in the EU27 could be more pronounced.
There's a 60-page PDF here.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document.html?reference=IPOL_STU(2017)595374
So Priti Patel had more meetings with Israeli officials including her lobbyist mate Lord Polak. Liam Fox was forced to resign because of something similar, so hopefully she will be given the heave-ho. But she’ll be back, as the example of Fox shows.
She won't be back unless and until she learns some important lessons. One of them is that if you **** up, and are called to appear before your superior, you use the opportunity to throw all your **** on the carpet at once and make full disclosure, and not hold bad stuff back and drip feed it over coming weeks. It's that mistake that's probably cost Patel her job.
Trouble is even Carl Sargent apparently did not have details of these allegations yet was sacked. At the same time Damien Green remains in his office while under Cabinet Office inquiry on allegations he made "inappropriate advances" to a Tory activist in 2015.
Am I the only one in seeing similarities between May’s administration and that of John Major? Takes over mid-term from a resigning premier, wins an election by a narrow margin, then presides over an administration that ****s itself up its own arse through a series of sleazy, incompetent or downright dishonest episodes.
What a bunch of pricks.
What a bunch of pricks.
Personally I think this is very unfair to John Major.
Major took over a Conservative Govt that was often 20 points behind the Labour opposition in 1990. He managed to close this gap but was still expected to lose the General Election, which he managed to win with an overall majority. He then lay the groundwork for the longest period of sustained economic growth in UK history; made significant headway in peace negotiations in Northern Ireland despite being dependent on Unionist votes in the HoC; and managed to find a sensible way forward with the Maastricht Treaty [despite visceral opposition from within his own ranks] securing an opt-out from the monetary union which limited the impact the Eurozone crisis had on the UK.
By contrast, May took over a party which was 20 points ahead of the Labour opposition, with an existing overall majority. She invoked A50 more quickly than she needed to, before the UK had undertaken the requisite preparatory work. She then held an unnecessary General Election, running one of, if not the, poorest election campaigns in living memory. She managed to lose Cameron's majority to an opposition leader that had seen over half of his own shadow cabinet resign just one year beforehand. She has not managed to secure any unity within her party - let alone the country - ahead of one of the most challenging periods of UK history. Her Government is so weak that it is abandoning any policy that is unpopular - irrespective as to what it believes to be the right thing to do.
I could go on, but sadly the day job is calling.
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He did all that and was still partial to the odd Currie.
In my defence I did only say similarities.
inappropriate sex talk IMO
Tell it as it was . He used to fill Edwina's freezer up with his man peas. In return she laid the odd egg or three
You did indeed Uber, and nothing personal intended. I was venting slightly as I've seen the same comparison made - more directly - in various publications.
It puzzles me that so many people are so certain that May and the Tories are doomed. Politics has been so topsy turvy of late that it's a mugs game to predict much at all - especially what the world will look like in four years time...
Nothing personal taken, old bean. I am, however, one of those that believe May to be presiding over perhaps the worst administration we’ve seen for many a generation. These are not conservatives.
And so the arrogant, pompous intransigent EU give the UK a two week ultimatum to promise yet more cash before they'll agree to kick-start the talks.
We have offered too much already and have given ground on the Irish border, citizen's rights and pledged cash.
With every day that passes it's clear that getting out of the EU is the best thing we've ever decided to do.
Call their bluff and.................................
Tell 'em to **** off!!
We have offered too much already and have given ground on the Irish border, citizen's rights and pledged cash.
With every day that passes it's clear that getting out of the EU is the best thing we've ever decided to do.
Call their bluff and.................................
Tell 'em to **** off!!
Would be naive of them to take the first offer when we’re clearly willing to pay more. We can’t call their bluff as everyone knows we’re holding jack high.