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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    If you mean me I don't have the time to waste that you seem to have. You are not actually debating just taking your very own negative stance on any Brexit news report. It becomes so boring after a while.
     
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  2. oldfrenchhorn

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    Well seeing as you are here at present, maybe you would like to comment on why Davis told Parliament that May had seen a summary of the assessment reports, yet today Parliament is told that these reports don't exist. This is your chance to show that a news report is incorrect, even if it leaves many people, not just me puzzled.
     
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  3. superhorns

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    I can fully understand why the forum has lost so many contributors from the political threads. The constant negative whinging from the anti Brexit clique, which you are a fully paid up member, is repetitive and dull.
     
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  4. yorkshirehornet

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    you rarely answer a question directly do you... and when you cant you always make a snide comment of a personal nature

    If what you say above is true do wonder what you get out of coming on here ...given most of the rest of us have been on here for years before you decided to pitch in
     
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  5. oldfrenchhorn

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    The European Parliament has rejected Britain's brand-new offer on the rights of EU citizens living in the UK after Brexit. The European Parliament's cross-party Brexit steering group however today said there were still "major issues"
    "EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU were told that nothing would change because of Brexit. The fact that the UK Government needs 25 paragraphs to explain how their lives will change proves this was a fabrication."
    "It's hard to believe this proposed new system will be smooth and efficient. The European Parliament remains deeply concerned about the lack of progress on citizens' rights issues. It is erroneous to say a deal is 'within touching distance'."
     
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  6. yorkshirehornet

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    <applause>

    ... I know who I would rather believe on this too....
     
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  7. oldfrenchhorn

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    Michel Barnier has today in a speech asked the question does the UK wish to have a trade agreement with the EU, or join the USA and maybe have some arrangement with that country. This gets to the heart of where the country wishes to go.
    So far the government has promised that there will be a bespoke deal with the EU, and everything would point towards them wanting a deal. Indeed it can be seen that they are trying to find measures that will extend their stay in the EU, even if only for a couple of years.
    This week we had the commerce secretary from the USA saying, that unless the UK could stay within the EU and protect the interests of American banks and industry etc. then we would not be doing what is right for his country.
    This means that both the EU and USA need us to stay as long as possible, putting pressure on the government to do whatever is required to achieve that aim. All this talk of a no deal option is becoming more and more ridiculous with each passing day.
     
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  9. oldfrenchhorn

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    Charles Grant is one of the most respected commentators on the EU and I would agree with almost all he forecasts. I did read that the UK would have little option but to agree to pay up what they owe, a figure close to the one he mentions.

    The real problem for the Government is how to sell the deal to the mad right wing of the party and country. The transition period could last for years while a deal is worked out.

    The only problem that I can see is can May be bright enough to get this through? I am not sure she can, and with the way the cabinet is falling apart it has to be more difficult.
     
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    I received a very good personalized e-mail today from Guy Verhofstadt telling me what he and the EU Parliament were doing to try and protect the rights of UK nationals living in Europe. He said that despite the difficulties, he promised that he would do his best. If only our MPs took those rights as a priority as he does!
     
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    It's a pity the EU side did not take up May's offer on nationals at the start of the negotiations. Verhofstadt is a complete buffoon.
     
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  12. oldfrenchhorn

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    Why would they wish to take up an offer that even today is not as good as the one that the EU is offering? Who was this wonderful offer made to? Not the EU, but to Germany in the hope that they could try the old divide and rule trick.
    Guy Vehofstadt does reply to e-mails, rather more than be said of my Tory MP.
     
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    He was probably surprised that somebody has taken him seriously :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    It is a pity that my MP doesn't take people seriously. She is too busy stabbing her fellow MPs in the back to worry about the ordinary voters.
     
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    Which UK MP has a constituency in rural France?
     
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    I am a registered voter and still have an MP in the UK.
     
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    There is currently no right for a UK MP to act for an expat. There has been attempts in the past to set up representation but so far it has failed. No wonder you have not had any response.
     
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    What are you talking about? Do you know if I have investments in the UK? Do you know if I pay tax in the UK? No paying taxes without the right to vote is the established rule. My MP would not be bright enough to know where an e-mail came from. No, I don't write to her with .fr as a clue.
    Any MP is supposed to look after their constituents no matter if they voted for them or not. Please try to understand how the system works before making your comments that are just plain wrong.
     
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  19. colognehornet

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    I wish that your 3rd sentence were true Frenchie. There are thousands of EU. citizens paying taxes to the British government without having a right to vote there. The same is true the other way, I had to take German nationality before being allowed to vote here, although I had paid taxes here for over 20 years previously. Unfortunately I have no voting rights left in the UK.
     
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    You are right cologne of course. The Tory government of Cameron promised that the 15 year rule would be abolished, and if you were a UK national you would have voting rights for life. This legislation was never enacted, and although it is still supposed to happen there is little chance of it going ahead. Many thousands were denied the right to vote in the referendum all across Europe, despite having a direct interest in the outcome. Friends of mine out here are applying for French nationality. Meanwhile like me they can vote in local and European elections only, but because I am registered in both the UK and France, I can vote twice in the EU elections.
     
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