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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Red Hadron Collider, May 15, 2013.

  1. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    The daily express have pointed out that only recently as in at sunderland moyes was accused by his current employer karen brady of sexism.

    Now what could possibly go wrong there?
     
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  2. LuisDiazgamechanger

    LuisDiazgamechanger Dribbles

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    I think Sam Allardyce is more suitable for Wes Ham job than David Moyes. I am not sure David Moyes can keep West Ham up.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    the evidence of last year certainly backs that view <ok>

    West ham have a lot of assets. I'm not sure what moyes will do to organise them.
     
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  4. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Decent run out for the boys in the 2 day game.
     
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  5. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    If Everton do get Fat Sam and it's a big if - then him and Moyes will have both managed Sunderland, West Ham and Everton - a true merry go round.
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I see West ham only gave Moyes a 6 month contract.

    real vote of confidence that. I hope he has a stellar avoid relegation clause cos if not I would have told them to do one.
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    it really would be interesting.

    If you look they are strugglers if clubs that attract these so yeah.. Everton really didn't expect to be in that class.

    add in pulis list of clubs and you really get a sense of those with the sum of ambition to be 17th each year. not a club for Everton to join again. the 1990s were and awful.time for them by the end.. I can remember those bad days there anyway
     
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  8. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I think reality steps in and ambitions have to be tempered .... at least for some. It's an acid test really of who is and isn't 'small time'.
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    yes, though the money right now is skewing things.

    everyone has far too much cash.

    For me theres a long list of clubs now in the 17th is fine bracket.

    Burnely
    swansea
    west brom (great start and they have now completely idled thinking they were safe)
    palace
    brighton will be in there
    hudderfield
    stoke
    bournemouth


    then there are a few clubs who that isn't good enough yet you have to wonder whats pushing it.. (owners)
    west ham (60k ground)
    Everton
    Southampton
    Leicester (owners big style)
    Watford (owners again)
    Newcastle (ought to be thinking this way but ashely has killed them)

    then there is the top 6.... real big clubs who 6th = bad, 7th or 8th = the sack

    I think the money means a lot of the bottom clubs are sloshing in money. where is going is varied. The 5/6 clubs in the middle want to join the top 6 but are barely any better than the others so are dissatisfied or have a lot of players who were not good enough or top 6 but think they are

    Its not easy out there. IMO everton with the debts paid and a stadium plan ought to be top of the rest easy but everyone around them can pay as much wages and buy players. Everton sold one big name and bought loads in. didn't work out... so far...

    Allardyce, pulis, moyes, hughton, huges all belong firmly in that relegation fodder dog fight. The problem is i think someone said this blocks young managers coming up yesterday? probably true.

    If you were that 6 that are big enough to aspire to a cup run or maybe getting into europe would you appoint a young manager when theres a wafer thin gap between top 10 and 18th?
     
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    The inevitable conclusion is then Fat Sam for Man Utd. Mourinho is already laying the hoofball groundwork.
     
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  11. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    That all makes perfect sense and I agree with everything you've said. The old managers trading places ad infinitum is blocking the younger ones progressing but even if there was a required retiring age to make way for fresh faces, which big club will take a chance on one of them? We don't have any top notch home grown managers and appear never to be likely to grow one because there isn't any sort of natural progression in management. It seems you're either great right out the starting blocks and progress on talent and results or you're training for the merry go round.
     
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  12. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    He's got greater ambitions than utd - he said he's good enough for Real didn't he <laugh>
     
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  13. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Roy Hodgson? <whistle>
     
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  14. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    Exactly*. Lesson learned <laugh>



    *..... at least he's actually won trophies, even if it was in the frozen North ....
     
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  15. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Paul clement is the only "young" english manager who i think has followed a path thats interesting. Assistant manager to Anchelotti at real madrid shows he has some coaching pedigree. Really difficult job at derby and swansea.

    While i respect Eddie Howe i have to wonder how.... well up to date is he in theories of coaching and getting the best out of players etc.

    Those IMO are the only two.

    I think Sean Dyche has done an amazing job at burnely but he is really old school guy who's so embedded into burnely i wonder if he moved would he be able to exert the influence needed

    I agree with you on progression. We have IMO structures which actively prevent progression in england. We hire a foreign manager.... and an entire first team coaching structure for them. we say shouldn't we give them what they want?

    At bayern for example the technical director says what goes and so there is a pipe line of telent that is superbly trained and qualified and invested in. At LFC we hired in Segura, borell, beale, inglewood etc. We progressed mike marsh through club then out of club. Pep linders.....

    Now gerrard is in u18s. how can gerrard "progress" as out under age coach. U19 CL management. U18 team managemnet. Training and education. IF he's willing to go the ground work he could become an inspirational coach and bring 4/5 young men through with him when the inevitable time comes that Klopp retires.... (i hope its retire)

    City, Utd, Arsenal, spurs... is this being done? I don't know... honeslty i have no idea if a fan of a rival club could point to the next man.

    Southampton. pelligrini
    Leicester Puel
    West ham moyes for 6 months
    Everton tried unsworth (no first team coach could step in it seems) now allardyce

    this all suggests other clubs are bad at this in england.

    The top job is a hard one to get. and big clubs need big men making big decisions.... But surely there has to be some power in a technical director to say actually our club needs to promote form within. Bring 2 guys with you but not 6. work with the club ethos here.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    mourinho has more ambitions that utd. He figured he would win the title this year and then **** off to PSG.

    now he's boned cos guardiola is schooling him.... psg might go for pep next... two oil sheikhs battling for him.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Everton want someone form a 4 man list.

    include.. get this.... DEIGO SIMEONE
     
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  18. johnsonsbaby

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    I'd love to see us return to a modern day version of the Boot Room. Props to Gerrard as well for knowing where to start out instead of wanting to jump straight in to top level, first team. I just found out recently that Harry Kewell's managing Crawley and Kevin Nolan is player/manager at Notts County. Wonder if either will make the grade.
     
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    He'd be perfect for them so might as well ask
     
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  20. LuisDiazgamechanger

    LuisDiazgamechanger Dribbles

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