Off Topic The Politics Thread

[kiwiqpr]

i hope youre not talking down to him stan

 

[Staines R's]

Good luck mate. Any job that interviews on Saturday sounds interesting.

Funny I thought that when the interview date came through.....I’ll let you know how I get on

 

[sb_73]

i hope youre not talking down to him stan

Outstanding.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

You don’t accept any kind of hierarchy? I assume you don’t work in any kind of organisation, and don’t have a boss. Do you accept the authority of the police, or judges? Do you accept the hierarchy of the ticket collectors on trains? Do you accept other people having a hierarchy - the manager of a football team for example? Loads of people have power over you, you yourself described the incredibly complex web of interdependence we all live in. Would your bins be emptied without a hierarchy? We are all powerless except in our own heads. Relax, enjoy it, it’s liberating.

Face facts, Stan, Cologne is talking a whole wicker basket full of pickled penises.

 

[colognehornet]

You don’t accept any kind of hierarchy? I assume you don’t work in any kind of organisation, and don’t have a boss. Do you accept the authority of the police, or judges? Do you accept the hierarchy of the ticket collectors on trains? Do you accept other people having a hierarchy - the manager of a football team for example? Loads of people have power over you, you yourself described the incredibly complex web of interdependence we all live in. Would your bins be emptied without a hierarchy? We are all powerless except in our own heads. Relax, enjoy it, it’s liberating.

Actually I don't work in an organisation and I don't have a boss. If I were to commit a crime - which I would be less likely to do than most because that, in itself, would be an exercise of power over someone else (however brief) the police would have power over me but not right and justice, which is a different thing - as Gandhi said 'They can take my body but they will never have my obedience' - or words to that effect. The collector on a train is fulfilling a brief role which lasts no longer than a brief second and is then over. I have very little rubbish to put in bins - mostly we recycle it, as best we can. Anything more to add to the list. I know we misuse words the whole time - like 'Communist', Fascist etc. but one is used more constantly wrongly than all others and that is the Anarchist. I will accept the censure of my fellow man, and laws made together with him. An Anarchist is not someone who throws bombs (because this would be a form of power), nore is he a punk who asks for money from the state, or from you, because this would also introduce a power relationship. I do not have the time to go too deeply into my politics on here - look up Anarcho Communism, and particularly the works of Peter Kropotkin and you will know where I am, or rather want to be.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Actually I don't work in an organisation and I don't have a boss. If I were to commit a crime - which I would be less likely to do than most because that, in itself, would be an exercise of power over someone else (however brief) the police would have power over me but not right and justice, which is a different thing - as Gandhi said 'They can take my body but they will never have my obedience' - or words to that effect. The collector on a train is fulfilling a brief role which lasts no longer than a brief second and is then over. I have very little rubbish to put in bins - mostly we recycle it, as best we can. Anything more to add to the list. I know we misuse words the whole time - like 'Communist', Fascist etc. but one is used more constantly wrongly than all others and that is the Anarchist. I will accept the censure of my fellow man, and laws made together with him. An Anarchist is not someone who throws bombs (because this would be a form of power), nore is he a punk who asks for money from the state, or from you, because this would also introduce a power relationship. I do not have the time to go too deeply into my politics on here - look up Anarcho Communism, and particularly the works of Peter Kropotkin and you will know where I am, or rather want to be.

Do you hope for 0-0 draws each week for the Hornets, as any other outcome would surely be an exertion of power over the opposition? When your lot got promoted to the Premble you must’ve wrung the cum out of your nutsacks with guilt and anxiety!

 

[rangercol]

As I’m currently unemployed as of last week (my choice as I’ve taken VR to leave the monotonous crap my job had become), you can bet your life I would. First class travel, Turkish delight and not having any worry about how long my money will last........ when do I start ?

Good luck for the future mate.

With regards to the Queen, I understand where you're coming from, but I genuinely think that you seriously underestimate just how hard she has worked for a very, very long time and just how committed she has been to her role.
To just be envious of her obvious wealth etc is a little too simplistic, with respect.

 

[rangercol]

Actually I don't work in an organisation and I don't have a boss. If I were to commit a crime - which I would be less likely to do than most because that, in itself, would be an exercise of power over someone else (however brief) the police would have power over me but not right and justice, which is a different thing - as Gandhi said 'They can take my body but they will never have my obedience' - or words to that effect. The collector on a train is fulfilling a brief role which lasts no longer than a brief second and is then over. I have very little rubbish to put in bins - mostly we recycle it, as best we can. Anything more to add to the list. I know we misuse words the whole time - like 'Communist', Fascist etc. but one is used more constantly wrongly than all others and that is the Anarchist. I will accept the censure of my fellow man, and laws made together with him. An Anarchist is not someone who throws bombs (because this would be a form of power), nore is he a punk who asks for money from the state, or from you, because this would also introduce a power relationship. I do not have the time to go too deeply into my politics on here - look up Anarcho Communism, and particularly the works of Peter Kropotkin and you will know where I am, or rather want to be.

Good grief!!

 

[Staines R's]

Good luck for the future mate.

With regards to the Queen, I understand where you're coming from, but I genuinely think that you seriously underestimate just how hard she has worked for a very, very long time and just how committed she has been to her role.
To just be envious of her obvious wealth etc is a little too simplistic, with respect.

I take your point Col, not that I agree completely with it, but respect your views.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Actually I don't work in an organisation and I don't have a boss. If I were to commit a crime - which I would be less likely to do than most because that, in itself, would be an exercise of power over someone else (however brief) the police would have power over me but not right and justice, which is a different thing - as Gandhi said 'They can take my body but they will never have my obedience' - or words to that effect. The collector on a train is fulfilling a brief role which lasts no longer than a brief second and is then over. I have very little rubbish to put in bins - mostly we recycle it, as best we can. Anything more to add to the list. I know we misuse words the whole time - like 'Communist', Fascist etc. but one is used more constantly wrongly than all others and that is the Anarchist. I will accept the censure of my fellow man, and laws made together with him. An Anarchist is not someone who throws bombs (because this would be a form of power), nore is he a punk who asks for money from the state, or from you, because this would also introduce a power relationship. I do not have the time to go too deeply into my politics on here - look up Anarcho Communism, and particularly the works of Peter Kropotkin and you will know where I am, or rather want to be.

Fc uk me, Cologne. An Anarcho Communist. Do your neighbours know what kind desperate revolutionary they're living next to? Is that your persona all week or just at weekends

 

[Staines R's]

It’s easy to take the piss out of Cologne, but there’s been many great thinkers and clever people throughout the years who have seen the advantages of Anarchism.
Emma Goldman, Lucy Parsons and Noam Chomsky to name but a few.....all great thinkers

 

[QPR Oslo]

I’ve got a final interview on Saturday for what I would say is my dream job....pays a third of what I was getting but came to the conclusion that it’s not all about the money but of doing something I could be proud of....failing that Tesco’s are always recruiting so I’ll get some employment I’d like to think.
I also get to keep my staff travel for the next 30 years.....but shame I’ll be so far down the list I’ll never get on even if I could afford the holiday

Good luck to you Staines!

 

[Uber_Hoop]

It’s easy to take the piss out of Cologne, but there’s been many great thinkers and clever people throughout the years who have seen the advantages of Anarchism.
Emma Goldman, Lucy Parsons and Noam Chomsky to name but a few.....all great thinkers

...and then there’s Cologne.

 

[colognehornet]

Do you hope for 0-0 draws each week for the Hornets, as any other outcome would surely be an exertion of power over the opposition? When your lot got promoted to the Premble you must’ve wrung the cum out of your nutsacks with guilt and anxiety!

Actually, to be honest Uber - I was excited about getting to the Premiership, but the novelty has worn off. It was much more fun in the other divisions chatting with real fans as opposed to the plastic ones of Manure and Chelski. As for supporting a team full of players who had to look at a map to find where Watford was before going there, well, I wish it was different in some ways, but you support your home club whatever.

 

[colognehornet]

Fc uk me, Cologne. An Anarcho Communist. Do your neighbours know what kind desperate revolutionary they're living next to? Is that your persona all week or just at weekends

They think I'm a nice inoffensive man with a sweet accent

 

[Uber_Hoop]

They think I'm a nice inoffensive man with a sweet accent

Do you lock your front door when you’re out anarchisating to prevent the theft of the people’s possessions that you’re curating on behalf of the masses?

 

[sb_73]

It’s easy to take the piss out of Cologne, but there’s been many great thinkers and clever people throughout the years who have seen the advantages of Anarchism.
Emma Goldman, Lucy Parsons and Noam Chomsky to name but a few.....all great thinkers

But pretty **** doers.

Real anarchism, not the stupid version of nihilism that it is caricatured as, is a deeply attractive proposition, or collection of propositions. Trouble is they require a near 100% agreement, and enthusiastic agreement at that, of the population (of the entire world for it to really work, unless you can find a way for a community to live in complete isolation) to work. It’s not something you can passively accept, like we can with liberal capitalist democracy, you have to be actively engaged. Otherwise it needs violence to impose and has failed before it has started.

Some of the Kurds are making a good go of it, and good luck to them.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

It’s easy to take the piss out of Cologne, but there’s been many great thinkers and clever people throughout the years who have seen the advantages of Anarchism.
Emma Goldman, Lucy Parsons and Noam Chomsky to name but a few.....all great thinkers

Might you share with us some of the advantages, Stainsey? Serious question.

 

[Staines R's]

Might you share with us some of the advantages, Stainsey? Serious question.

You could say a fairer system for all, and a world where not only the few have the advantages that should be had by everyone.
A very simplistic answer I know but I’m not a great political theorist....

 

[colognehornet]

But pretty **** doers.

Real anarchism, not the stupid version of nihilism that it is caricatured as, is a deeply attractive proposition, or collection of propositions. Trouble is they require a near 100% agreement, and enthusiastic agreement at that, of the population (of the entire world for it to really work, unless you can find a way for a community to live in complete isolation) to work. It’s not something you can passively accept, like we can with liberal capitalist democracy, you have to be actively engaged. Otherwise it needs violence to impose and has failed before it has started.

Some of the Kurds are making a good go of it, and good luck to them.

It starts on a small scale Stan. Not looking to change the World. If you can get a group of neighbours to share tools rather than buying them then it's a start. In fact there are interesting developments with the Transition towns network - simply communities, or small towns, developing their own self reliance. Not waiting for governments to do something about eg. Co2 emissions but rather taking the responsibility upon themselves, as far as it is possible, through favouring local production (preferably through cooperatives), local currencies etc. Trying to break down the dependence upon worldwide energy and currency systems which could break down at any time - local currencies are a part of this eg. the Totnes Pound. The key is to develop self sufficiency as far as it is possible for a given situation. The second part of the equation is not so difficult to understand - Communism means 'rule by the commune' - it does not mean rule by the state - otherwise it would have been called 'Statism'. It means that the State (if it exists at all) is nothing other than a voluntary association of communes each in control of their own means of production. Thinking about it only from an environmentalist point of view - I would rather that the local firm in my town is run as a worker's cooperative by the people who directly share my environment than by someone making decisions a thousand miles away, or by someone whose only interest is profit.