Match Day Thread 2017/18 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

It must have been a echo, or maybe a gust of wind.

 

For some reason they go on about Cantona and repeat their often used claim that "Cantona never attempted to defend his actions" despite Cantona telling the BBC themselves in an interview that it was the highlight of his career:

Asked on BBC's Football Focus what the highlight of his career was, he responded: "When I did the kung fu kick on the hooligan, because these kind of people don't have to be at the game. I think maybe it's like a dream for some, you know sometimes to kick these kind of people. So I did it for them. So they are happy. It's a kind of freedom for them. So I speak about that because maybe they felt it. Because they felt something special physically. Maybe it was a different feeling. It's a great feeling, but different."

 

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Depends on whether the fan racially abused him. Could explain his drastic action and a reasonable defence.

Racist abuse should not be allowed in football. The monkey chants of the 60s and 70s are thankfully a thing of the past in the premiership (mostly). Not sure whether this Evra action was linked to racism but we shouldn't be too quick to condemn before knowing all the facts.

 

I agree with some of his points.

Nothing gives me greater pleasure that see racists getting what they deserve. They are absolute scum: whether they are Chelsea fans on trains, palace fans Manc fans or even our fans. One of the most shameful episodes in the history of LFC is how one of the greatest players to ever play for us was initially racially abused by his own supporters. I am of course talking about John Barnes. When he was bought, he got calls from our fans that he wouldn't be welcomed. Some even hurled racist abuse at him and threw bananas at him during matches.I will never ever forget the shame I felt then.

 

Why stop there zanj, why not if one of their players goes on a rampage and injures all 11 opposition players surely its unfair that only 1 player is sent off and all 11 of the oppositions cant play

If your silly example really happened above i'm pretty sure the authorities would step in and remove the dirty teams trophy

 

He had to rebuild Barcelona though. The Barca team under Rijkaard was struggling and underachieving. Then he transformed them into one of the best club sides the world has seen. He’s only 46 and has won two champions leagues.

Managers of all the top clubs in Europe spend big money, Jose being number one. The best managers are able to spend money so that shouldn’t be a stick to beat them with. But if you give someone like David Moyes that sort of cash, I guarantee he would still be ****.

 

you realise Pep has spent more than most (think i read somewhere he's spent the most out of all managers).

As for that Barca side, it was underachieving but still had some great players. He deffo overachieved with them

At bayern, i would say he underachieved. He had a team at the peak of its powers and never won the CL or even came close

So far at City he has underachieved. We will see by the end of his tenure how well he has made them.

By your argument, Jose was only 48 when he won 2 CLs with 2 very unfancied teams. His achievement right their dwarves Peps

 

And Hose-a has never spent any cash or underachieved at any of the teams he's managed...

 

Wrong. The intention of yellow and red cards is to deter players from performing certain acts and protect other.

The corresponding ban is intended as punishment.

 

Wow a lot there.

First off Barca had the best forward line and midfield and full backs in world football at the time so over achieved??? Messi, iniesta, etc

Second I agree at Bayern, I think he letvtgrm age alongside the technical director etc and thry went backwards.

Third Jose... no way. Second cl was at inter who were dominating Italian football and in at of cl regularly before he arrived. Josecfailed at chelsea to deliver cl so Roman sacked him. He sacked anchelotti who won a double.

The fact remains that Mourinho got a lucky break with a late away goal at old Trafford and suddenly the rout to win was easy. Monaco in final etc.

Mourinho failed to win cl with real too... and that got him sack there n all.

Guardiola.... He was poor last year no question but this year he's got it done. Imo it's the classic no time given scenario here. If city want to win the cl they must give time to get everything right.

 

I'm quite looking forward to visiting grounds like Barnsley and Forest next season

 

For me, Mourinho is the ultimate pragmatist whilst Pep is the idealist.

There are many who state that because their budgets are massive their achievements are not that great and that any fool could have done what they did with the hundreds of millions available. That argument does not hold water for more than a few seconds when you think of the many managers who were excellent with their smaller clubs on a low budget but failed abysmally when they had a lot of money to spend. Suddenly they had to put together a team and a system that would have to roll over all others.

If you want trophies, but do not care about the style of football being played then Mourinho is your man. If the style of football is important too, then it has to be Pep.

 

A good way to put it.

I would however state this.

In head to head terms.... pep Guardiola has the upper hand. Last year neither man did well but the cups fell into line for Mourinho. Especially the Europa. This year is the first since the real v Barca battle.

If pep beats Mourinho up for 2 seasons say this and next does that end the debate?

 

The Barca pep took over needed a rebuild. He got rid fo Ronaldinho, Deco etc and made Iniesta the star. He got in (or at lead played) pique i think and alves and busquets as well as Villa and Pedro. I hate Pep but i can concede that he helped bring them on. Messi of course was already a star and xavi back then wasn't the superstar pep made him.

Inter dominated Italian league fair enough. They were nothings in the CL. Don't think they'd ever made it to a final and no one would have given them a look in that year. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just re-writing history as Italian footie has been in the doldrums in the past 10 years. To win the CL with Inter is an achievement.

You can say what you want about Portos CL win, but to call it a fluke is the same as Liverpools CL win. the last minute gerrard fluke at olympiakos and winning by Pens, scoring a ghost goal and gudjonsen missing a sitter etc etc.

 

My word how **** are Everton?

I know we're average but they are dog ****e.

 

unsworth out of his league. That team selection yesterday was shocking

 

This debate, like so many that are subjective, is unlikely ever to end.
As mentioned above, you can't hang a manager's success purely on the amount of money he's had available, but neither can you dismiss it as a highly relevant factor. Our opinions on who is better than whom will remain just opinions.

 

He is, but I don't agree about the team selection. We were doing alright in that game with the 4-3-3, and second half our front 3 were pressing them well and we had started to control the game. Then he brings on DCL for Gana and goes to a 4-2-3-1. We immediately lost the high press as Lookman and Lennon had dropped back and they took the game by the scruff of the neck as they had more time on the ball in midfield as we'd retreated.

He should have kept the same shape and just pushed Siggy back into the midfield 3. Cost us the game and him any chance of the job.