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John O' Shea...hear me out!!!!

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Cest Lives, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. Cest Lives

    Cest Lives Member

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    Okay, I know he splits opinion so hear me out before the tirade of abuse :)

    Firstly, I will own up that I like JOS. He has been here 6.5 years almost and has played nearly 200 games so why he isn't thought of as a part of us by some is perplexing tbh. Hes been here for longer than Julio, SKP and Marco for instance, all of whom are lauded as legends despite having some difficult periods towards the end of their terms here and hes' a model pro. IMO. he has been a great player in his time here, albeit as a veteran now he isn't in his prime but that said, I still think hes the best defender at the club.

    He has passed his FA badges and obviously has ambitions to go into management so why not with us? If as suggested by many he controls the dressing room already then he has a head start over any incoming outsider and he will know the players better than anyone. If we were to couple him with an older head like Reidy for the short term then why not give it a try. I reckon he would get the best out of Kone and others and will know who is cutting it in the dressing room and who isn't. No need to experiment as he will know all of them.

    I have seen some horror stories emerging like McCleish, McCoist, Rednapp, Brown etc etc and none of those are what we need or want. We dont have money so we cant attract the Allardyces of this world and need to be a little more pragmatic. I also think JOS will have the ear and help of people like Ferguson and such like and is a respected figure in the game and he would be a far better option than some.
    I know this will create a bit of controversy and split opinion but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense to me.

    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    ****e player imo, hope to god he's not put in charge as I fear we'd be relegated and slip into administration.

    Catts is a way better player and I wouldn't describe him as a legend either.
     
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    I think the very concept that he might control the dressing room as a player indicates that he's not suitable for the job. A character like that would find the step from player at the head of a clique to manager almost impossible to make. He'd be incapable of making the hard decisions. He'd either play his mates in spite of whether they were good enough or not or he'd fall out with everyone. There's not enough distance for him to have authority. That and the fact I've wanted him gone for a long time now.
     
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  4. RedNWhite4Life

    RedNWhite4Life Well-Known Member

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    I don't have a problem with OShea as a player. I too feel he has been unfairly made a scapegoat by a large section of the fans and has been a model pro since he arrived. Yes he has made mistakes in his time here but so has every other defender we have.

    His biggest skill now is his organisation so can see why he may make a decent manager.

    However I really hope he doesn't get it. Straight away the fans will be on his back no time for a bedding in period as the fans will slaughter him for anything.

    We need an impact manager and I don't think Oshea will be that man. I'd have no problems with him as a number 2 and some day taking over as manager but not this day. It would be suicide for us as the toxic atmosphere will only get worse unless he wins 7 or 8 of his first ten games which won't happen. It would also be career suicide for him.

    For me we need Keane or Reid back to give the club and fans a lift and some hope. In a dream scenario big Sam would come back but can't see it in a million years he'd be a fool and that he is not.

    I think we may be waiting for Irelands world cup play off to see if we can tempt Roy Keane back. If this is the case I hope they get twatted.

    To answer your post I say not now John but I'd have no problem in the future.
     
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  5. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    No no and no way should anybodies first managerial appointment be Safc
     
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  6. Cest Lives

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    A ****e player? Really. Mmmmmm!
     
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  7. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    I don't like O'Shea. He's been with us a long time but by and large those have been some of the worse years I've seen and while he has the odd good game he's not an important player for us and never really was.

    He's supposed to be a leader but he makes schoolboy mistakes all the time. He's supposed to be influential off the pitch but I don't see any positive effect on it. He's also been influential for roughly the same amount of time that I've felt our players have had too much power.

    I don't know anything for sure regarding his effect on morale and results but my personal feeling is that I'll be glad to see the back of him and signing him as manager would be a bit of a living nightmare for me. Rightly or wrongly I associate him with the toxicity at the club.
     
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  8. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    No experience in managing or even coaching at any level. We're far too big a club with far too judgemental fans to go for someone with so few qualifications for the job. I wouldn't want Giggs who has far more experience so I certainly don't want O'Shea.

    Not to mention he plays football like his brain has fallen out of his head. We're suffering in a climate that suffocates anything promising and breeds failure. O'Shea has been central to one of the worst periods I've seen as a fan. I wouldn't reward him for it with a go in the big seat.
     
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  9. Brian Storm

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    Awful, he can't organise(And he's club captain with all his coaching badges), he's weak, flat footed and always out of position in nomans land, he's too slow for any professional league and he constantly switches off. Not a fan mate. Never have been.
     
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  10. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    NO. He's been a ****ing burden. Part of the rotten core..

    Get him the **** outta the club..
     
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  11. Nacho

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    Been chuckling about that since I read it.
     
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    Burly Hurley Well-Known Member

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    I can't imagine a worse signing as our next manager.

    But with club you never know. He would be on the cheap.

    Every time Short shoots he blows his own foot off!!

    The bloke must be an octopus!
     
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  13. grimsby mackem

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    Never really understood why he gets the stick that he does, relatively solid player since he got here. He's well past it now but it's not his fault that the club have failed repeatedly in thiet attempt to replace him over the last couple of years.

    Not sure i see him as an option for manager, no experience in that area and we're anything but a nice easy first step i to management.
     
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  14. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Ask PDC...

    He's a ****ing burden..The club needs shot of ****ers like this,
     
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  15. Nacho

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    Dunno if it's because he played under Ferguson but I've always thought O'Shea thinks he knows better than our managers. Probably undermines them to **** every chance he gets.
     
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  16. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    I reckon so. Reet snotty ****.

    Cest is way off on this one.
     
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  17. grimsby mackem

    grimsby mackem Well-Known Member

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    PDC is a ****ing head case mate, theres a reason no ones touched him since. O'Shea isn't some weird evil genius sabotaging the club from within, so what he played a part in getting rid of PDC who was a ****ing loon.
     
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  18. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    o'shea has been blagging a living for years off the club.
     
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  19. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Not even close. <laugh>
     
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  20. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    I tend to let the players who ousted Di Canio off to an extent because he is nuts and like you say hasn't worked since which kills any question marks over if he's any good.

    However it does set a dangerous precedent. Evil genius no, possible egomaniac who thinks he knows best? Could be. Don't need them in the dressing room.
     
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