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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. West London Willy

    West London Willy Well-Known Member

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    Sorry if you don’t want to know the law. I hope you never fall foul of it.
     
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  2. rangercol

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    Every time me and the other half are drunk and having sex apparently, according to you. I'm sure you're right Willy.......you always are.
     
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  3. West London Willy

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    I’m sure there’s no reason for you to appear so confrontational.
     
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  4. rangercol

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    <laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  6. kiwiqpr

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    the sooner we get out of the eu the better

    these people have too much spare time

    they need to spend it constructivly making new laws to replace the eu ones

    or doing some trade deals

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    is liz truss a looker
    should i apply to be a researcher for her
     
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  7. GoldhawkRoad

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    Interesting that this list refers to sexual relations by men, and "fornication" by a woman. Seems a rather antiquated approach

    I can fill in the blank for Amber Rudd. It's Tory MP, Kwasi Kwarteng. I believe they're living together openly. Hardly a crime.
     
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  8. Stroller

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    Can you fill in the blank for Liam Fox? I really want to know that one.
     
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  9. GoldhawkRoad

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    No knowledge. It's a short word or phrase that's been redacted on the list, but longer than the word "Affair" that's opposite Grant Shapps's name.

    "Gay affair" ?
     
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  10. Stroller

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    Oh yeah, probably that Werritty bloke. I was kind of hoping is just said 'Tosser'.
     
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  11. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    He can't be complete tosser - he's pro Brexit :emoticon-0100-smile

    The trouble is, a lot of rumours fly about which are unproven. There was one about William Hague if you remember. Some journalist suggested a gay affair, there was no proof, except (from memory) that Hague shared a hotel room with separate beds with an assistant. Journalists should have more imo, before setting these hares running.

    Sexual harassment must be rooted out wherever it exits. But Journalists (BBC in particular) need to be aware that if they have a go at MP's for consensual relationships, at some point, the light will be shone on their organisation
     
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  12. sb_73

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    It not a sexual one, it’s his providing taxpayers cash to his mate Werrity. The Times has most of the details.
     
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  13. danishqp

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    Anyway, if it is OK let's bring this back to discussing politics - I have had a few meetings cancelled, I'm rather cheesed off with work, they promised authentis fish and chips today in the canteen and let's just say it had nothing on Seashell in Lisson Grove, or my own favourite Langan's.
    So, on to the subject at hand - The complete madness that is Spain (and always has been).

    As previously alluded to, my meal times in Spain were a wondrous thing, once the agua ardiente came out. You see, on one side was a grandfather from La Coruna Galicia who was an ardent Franco supporter having served as a Staff Sargent for him during the Civil War. Accompanying him would be a couple of sons in law who's on fathers had died during the conflict, also on Franco's side.
    On the other side would be a son in law that my grandfather adored but who's own father was a prime leader of the Spanish Communist party. This son in law Mario Gallego Rey, was an intellect with a great friendship to his father's protege Santiago Carillo (for many years the Head of the Spanish Communist party).
    If you want to bore yourselves, go and read Euroncommunism and State for some insight to their thinking.
    On his side were an array of lefties who just wanted a decent quiet life - amongst them were my own father who had held a high ranking position under Franco for many years, simply because Franco was bereft with guilt at having killed his uncle. The uncle was canonised 3 years ago as Saint Braulio Carlos, it helps me in life as I am able to equalise the Karma at will.

    Iberia was, is and always has and will be a ragamuffin conjunction of regions that consider themselves their own countries. They can actually claim this on several grounds:

    Language - Circa 30% of Castillian speaking people will understand a Gallego speaking Gallego and have a decent jist of what they are saying
    For Catalan that figure will reduce to around the 20% mark. Remember, that the ones that will understand are those from the regions closest.
    For Basque, well I as a Castellano and Gallego speaking person cannot even begin to understand how thei own mothers can understand them when they are speaking Basque!! The difference is that stark, it is simply a completely different language.

    Landscape and temperatures - OK, Galicia = Ireland
    Andalucia = North Africa (the dry parts) - think the Spaghetti western of A fistful of Dollars, A few Dollar more - all shot in Almeria!
    Castilla la Vieja/Extremadura - flat as a pancake, the rest equates to being the second most mountainous country in Europe.
    It's generally the whole shabang, food, history of different rulers in different regions, Vikings in Galica, the Moors in Andalucia - the absolute works!!

    I'm not going to bore you any further with facts that you can easily find on Wikipedia - what you won't find on Wikipedia is the inate hatred that the peoples of different regions have for each other. This was of course accentuated by Franco's rule - in its hatred towards everything Madrid - but it was always there. My grandparents spoke of times where Spanish emigrated to all over simply to get away from that same hatred, so intense was it - well before Franco.

    Franco's era is well documented and his death brought a general sense of relief to the majority of Spain. For a genuine period of about 5 years it appeared that many of the old prejudices were disappearing. This was manily due to everyone starting to have sex, be able to read about sex and able to go and watch sex in a cinema!! I'm only half joking about the sex part, but the ability to have freedom of speech and generally behave without fear was liberating to all.

    I was myself what was to become known as the "Golden Generation" - we are in the 45 - 60 age group, we were the ones that could now have a full education (i.e University), whereas before it was the rarest of things - parents gave everything for their children to have the opportunity they never had. Many of us were not worth a carrot but our parents kept on paying, whatever their positions in life, it literally meant everything to them. This group were OK because when they finished their education there were abundent opportunities for even the most useless of scholars (my group). Spain at that time was the growth area for so many companies, it was at Third World stage with First World attitudes and possibilities. No one had a scintilla of a problem to invest in Spain.

    With the new new found wealth, growth and education came the yearning for self autonomy - we were never to go back to to the dark days. When we talk about self autonomy in Spain it is even on another level than any other country can come close to. The problems that this causes had already been bubbling but as per usual it took money to bring it to the boil. The financial crisis hit home at what a house of cards Spain's economy had become, suddenly even the most basic of services and needs were no longer available, these times are always a great breeding ground for extremist views. This drive from Cataluna has come from this same Golden Generation that lives in a theorist world rather than a practical world. Let me tell you something, you do not want to enter an enter into an argument with even an averagely educated Spaniard, they are all like Stan in intellect and vocabulary minus the sarcasm and humanity - you simply cannot win an argument or even move their position slightly.

    The majority of Catalanes are like the ones round my family dinner table, just wanting to live a peaceful life, this bullshit of entrenched postions is one borne from ideologies that the msot vociferous and articulated are able to accentuate due to the majority (and quite rightly being apathetic towards).

    Where "normal" people in Spain all agree, is that Madrid has played this hand like a bunch of ****s. Not one of them has had a decent negotiation course - maybe I'll set one up for them where UK Brexit negotiators could attend!!

    In conclusion, Spain has always hated each other, has always loved a good argument and a good excuse to make everything a drama. I personally hate and love Spain in equal measure, love it for the family, the weather, the culture, the paisaje - really dislike the majority of ****s in it.

    So immagine that amount of feeling from someone who now only visits twice a year, think of how you feel if you live in that pot?

    Cologne - please look just a tad further than your nose and what you read from foreign press - Spain is not Fascist. It's a corrupt country full of over educated gardners and waiters, looking for an excuse to rumble, over uses olive oil and garlic in its food, but its not Fascist.

    This could well be be be way too long a drivel and for that I apologise, I lost my drift, too many ****s came to my office to ask if I like the fish and chips!!!!
     
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  14. sb_73

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    How did you end up in Shepherds Bush Danish?
     
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    Dad got caught moonlighting when working as a sort of Private Servant/Guard to Franco's 2nd in command General.
    He fled with his younger brother to France - no decent work for them.
    They ended up in Oxford where the younger brother met my mum's best friend and married her.
    My Dad met my Mum at the wedding and they married 2 months later!!
    My Dad managed to get some kind of reprieve from Franco to return to Spain - my mum wanted to return.
    They had me - Dad hated Spain, we returned to England.
    They found a bedsit in Bravington Road Maida Vale and from there we ended up in the celubrious Brondesbury part of Kilburn.
    When in Bravington Road, Dad worked in a couple of restaurants on the Fulham Road and loved his football so of course went to Loftus Road instead of his other options, and now I'm on here rahter than the Chelsea or Fulham boards :)
    Went to St Georges and Portobello Rd Spanish school so there were enough RRRs fans to back up my Dad's idea that there was only one team to support!!!

    Used to play against Burlington Daines, am the same age as Sir Les so stands to reason that I must have played against the legend without knowing it!!!
     
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  17. Tramore Ranger

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    I thought Les was a Wren lad?
     
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    Now you've got me - For some reason I always thought he was Burlington Daines - we played in the same league as CW as well :)
    But heh - don't know why I thought that, but now I'm writing, are you sure Tram?
     
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    It’s like any country I know of deep divides exist ... we certainly have that
    More recently a new one in Brighton

    DFL’s : down from London cashpots who did nothing but sell their mock tudors for 7 figures and brought up two houses in the Hove

    A lot of them I know feel bad vibes from the locals

    It is what it is ... another story that will cease to exist in the minds in the next few months
     
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