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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Whiteley Saint

    Whiteley Saint Well-Known Member

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  2. ImpSaint

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    But it isn't. If the new build council house (circa 2002) virtually across the road appears on my bid system (because it has become available) it is the same price (rent) as mine is. They do not rise like you are saying they should or do. They remain the same council rate. It is a council estate. Everybody talks to each other. My next door neighbour (while talking to me the other day) pointed across the road at a house across the road while the door was open saying "why have I still got one of those dial thermostats and she has a digital one.) It would cause major problems if they "upped" the rent on vacant properties and for new tenants because "working class" people still talk to their neighbours!


    Housing assoc houses which are similar to the council new build are viewed as a premium price for a poorer landlord. Council as the landlord is about the best you can get because of all the government rules. My gutter leaks.......they will mend it in a week. Private rent you struggle to get them to mend a tap within 2 months. Housing assoc? No idea, because like everyone else I want council not (private) housing assoc.

    They just re-tiled all council houses on my estate (just for the sake of it.) You can now see who is council or not by the old roofs. About 1 in 20 I would estimate are private (sold on right to buy.) 1 in 20 that are now much more highlighted to thiefs as maybe having something worth nicking as well but that is by the by.
     
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  3. ImpSaint

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    Only if they are Catalan I suspect!!!!

    Blame "pudgy" all you like. There is money behind this and he is head pawn. The Spanish government are proving to be absolutely mindless and their EU bosses just say "Pfff." like they always do. This needs EU intervention yet they just say "national problem."
     
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  4. ImpSaint

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    Nope.

    Harold Wilson closed 253.
    Macmillan was runner up with 246 and Thatcher a distant 3rd with 115. Clement Attlee way behind in 4th with 101.
     
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  5. ImpSaint

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    I'm a floater. Probably vote for anti-globalisation Corbyn next time round.
     
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    I am grateful for your correction. Interesting. I was aware of Thatchers' "poor record", but assumed that those closures started a precipitation that Tony then continued. Watched too much Billy Elliot and Brassed Off, I suppose!

    You are a positive treasure chest of information, Imps. Nice one.
     
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    For a good take on the truth behind Thatcher, the fact-checking programme "More or Less" on the BBC did a brief section on the programme when she died. Well worth spending ten minutes of your life if you genuinely care about facts.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p016tpsr

    Vin
     
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  8. Archers Road

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    You need to drop the conspiracy theory nonsense Imps. What money is behind this? In what way? Stuff and nonsense.

    This is purely a case of two right wing populist leaders playing to their nationalist bases. There is no sinister unseen hand manipulating the situation for financial gain. In fact no one gains here.
     
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    Facts are you mad? This is the politics thread!

    An interesting listen but not one which will be popular with some on here. Some of the figures again had me scratching my head as to why it would be good for Corbyn to drag us back towards the 70's. I still need a lot of convincing.
     
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    I think you misunderstand me, especially as you brought private rent into it which has nothing to do with what i'm saying. I'm saying your council is not converting vacant properties into affordable rent while your housing association is. I'm not saying you're wrong, people on housing associations estates ask all the time why their neighbors have lower rents. I'm just saying its down to the governments lack of regulations and encouragement for housing associations to change their stock which is what i disagree with.

    Just as an aside, i hear all the time how my association is better than the council, but i've also heard horror stories of other associations. One association is not identical to another.
     
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  11. Archers Road

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    The 1970's = David Bowie, T.Rex, Led Zeppelin, The Clash, Bob Marley, full employment at decent wages, affordable housing, the hottest summer in living memory, and Saints winning the FA Cup. And I was young and handsome (honest). Who wouldn't want to go back to that?
     
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    Well it would be nice to be young again and the music was better....... well some of it. Can Labour help Saints to win the cup again? I'm wondering if it's worth bankrupting the country for. :emoticon-0138-think
     
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    It is <ok>



    We're going bust whoever wins the next election anyway. Brexit has seen to that. At least a Corbyn government would try to share the pain out evenly, & help the people at the bottom - you know, the ones with the least, who always end up losing the most.
     
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    We will all pay even those at the bottom unfortunately. The employers will make cut backs to pay the extra tax and, as always, the first thing to be cut is jobs. The extra tax could be the push some of them need, after the Brexit decision, to relocate. I am still looking for someone to come up with something which makes economical sense. It's all a mess until we know where we are after Brexit.
     
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    A few "facts" about my own personal experience of Thatcherism...

    Getting my apprenticeship as a Boatyard Joiner cut short.
    Getting made redundant from my subsequent three jobs as a woodworker after that lasting no longer than 6 months in either.
    Spending the best part of 1981 on the dole with 3 million others.
    Forced to take a soul destroying job on a production line with pitiful wages.

    Yes life was better for a few under her leadership, but many other lives were destroyed by her deeply divisive ideology.
     
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    Businesses always threaten to relocate if Labour win an election - but like Phil Collins, they seldom do.

    As for stewardship of the economy, do you seriously think a Corbyn government would make a worse mess of things than the current lot? We are currently witnessing record levels of both private and public debt, and the money the BoE has been pumping into the economy to keep it afloat has not been invested in industry, it's materialised in inflated asset prices that only benefit the already wealthy, and been used by bankers to go on paying themselves huge bonuses (you know, the same bankers that broke the economy in the first place).
     
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    Oi, leave Phil alone. Yes his work post 1980 was unimaginative and poor but he was involved in some decent prog rock before then.

    I had a (not very) interesting talk with a Conservative party member a few days ago. He reckons many in the party would like to fall out of office for the next few years so they can blame Labour for any Brexit financial fallout. Then they ride to the country's rescue hoping we'll all have forgotten who started the process in the first place.
     
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    Yes, Genesis were okay if you liked that sort of thing. Thatcher era Phil was an abomination though...

    On your serious point, I'm sure a lot of Tories would happily take to the bunkers and let someone else deal with Brexit and it's attendant horrors.
     
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    There is always money to be gained. currency rises and falls upon events and instability and moneymen always earn from it. The Arab Spring didn't just happen. It was pushed and pushed by American money. Funny how that was championed as a great thing by so called liberals (before it all went tits up) yet because this "uprising" doesn't suit it is a bad thing.

    Those politicians that constantly talk of freedom, liberty and letting people decided their own future are nothing of the sort. That only applies if they approve and if they think they can win the argument. If they don't think it will go their way then they deny the liberty and freedom they purport to champion.
     
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    I understand you now. I have no doubt that some housing association are great. Given the choice though I bet most people would want the Council as their landlord rather than a housing assoc. Not just for the cheaper rent or the older house but because they come out to repair things whenever you call and are constantly "updating" houses for the sake of it.
     
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