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The 2017 Malaysian Grand Prix Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Big Ern, Sep 24, 2017.

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Who will have the chequered flag waved in their honour?

Poll closed Oct 1, 2017.
  1. Lewis Hamilton

    68.2%
  2. Seb Vettel

    27.3%
  3. Valtieri Bottas

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  4. Kimi Raikonnen

    4.5%
  5. Danny Ricciardo

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  6. Max Verstappen

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  7. Jos verstappen

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  8. Shergar

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  9. Other (specify)

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  1. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    I dunno... drivers seem to pass each other fairly frequently on the slowing down lap, so I don't see Vettel doing anything out of the ordinary. Plus there's a country mile of room for Stroll. Initially I thought it was Vettel turning in on Stroll, but after seeing that it would appear Strollololol was in cloud cuckoo land.

    Completely bizzare accident though.
     
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  2. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    4 time WDC !!! 3 wheels on my wagon, I'm just rollin along. <laugh>
     
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  3. cosicave

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    I agree there's nothing wrong in principle with passing on the cool down lap. We see it all the time. Some drivers pass others doing dough-nuts. No problem. Nothing wrong whatsoever, so long as common sense is applied. Indeed, history shows us overtaking on the cool lap is very safe with little risk of an accident.
    So why did it happen this time at the top level when it is so rare in EVERY form of motor-racing?

    Make actions and intentions obvious. Don't take unnecessary risks in other driver's blind-spots…
     
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  4. Smithers

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    It’s a difficult one, in general Vettel and Ferrari have shot themselves in the foot and by all accounts would be winning the WDC championship and within spiting distance of the WCC, if the limitation of risk was applied in all scenarios.

    I also feel that Vettel and Ferrari are getting a tougher ride than others might get in similar situations. However that’s perception and we all look at things differently. What I will say, is that hindsight is a wonderful thing and if we all calculated the great “IF” non of us would even step out the front door.

    I’m with SGT on this one, but the season picture is looking worse and worse for Vettel.
     
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  5. BrightLampShade

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    Looks like Vettels gearbox magically isn't damaged. Assuming he gets through Japan then the championship is still on. Another failing and it's more or less finished.

    Given their car and driver they should be miles ahead. But circumstance and poor choices have left them chasing.
     
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  6. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Ferrari are getting a tough ride as no penalties were imposed for either incident.

    I don't agree with Sgt that anyone is fully blaming Vettel for either incident either, but he has to take some responsibility for accidents that are avoidable, as he was involved in both.

    What probably bugs more, is that Vettel keeps saying he didn't see anything, or didn't know they were there. That does suggest a lack of concentration or awareness of what is going on around him.

    Ultimately, its costing him more than the others. So either he starts looking where he and the other drivers are, or he can keep colliding and say its not fault and drop further points in the knowledge that he is blameless. I know which option I would use if I were in the WDC fight..............
     
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  7. Smithers

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    I meant from fans and the media, specifically British.
     
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  8. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    really? the Ferrari has clearly been the second best car most of the season, only the last couple of races could it be said he's had the best car. He stole a few wins early in the season when he wasn't close to Lewis pace. we really need a Lewis issue to give us hope for what we want, a 6 point gap going into the last race with them 1-2 on the grid.
     
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  9. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    Everyone on this planet has the responsibility of acting with "due diligence" whether you are a 4 times F1 WDC or like me a simple Electrical engineer, it is simply not acceptable in any situation to NOT at least to have made the effort to make yourself aware and assess of potential "Risk of Danger"

    All F1 drivers have the potential to create severe Risk of Danger by the very nature of the act that they participate, therefore they should make every effort to be aware of whats going on around them, true it's a dynamic situation and changes within a split second, but the responsibility is even more critical at these times. Basically it's simple, look were you are going ffs.

    Ferrari, tell Vettel to read his H&S manual. if you have one.
     
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  10. dhel

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    Why not with both on equal points? I am sure if either one is six points ahead and starting the last race 1-2 neither will get pass the first corner. I could bet on that. So the championship would be finished from the previous race. Trust me
     
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  11. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    Really, Oh dear, what could possibly make you think like that.
     
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  12. dhel

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    I think Vettel is responsible for a lot of his own problems this year. Maybe it's the pressure from Ferarri or something. When he crashed into Lewis...he wasn't paying attention before the restart and he blames Hamilton. Then he decides to crash into the side of Hamilton's car in protest of his own error. He ended up losing the race because of stupidity, because even though Hamilton was fast and leading, his headrest got undone and he lost places. Vettel lost valuable point there. He got off kinda lightly too. Then in Singapore... He realized he got a bad start from poll but still decided to press the issue with Max instead of biding his time knowing he was ahead of Lewis. It ended in a three way crash and no points. He simply forgot who he was fighting for the championship. Then this last race, starting from the back doing a good race only to crash when the race was over. Was a there such a rush to pick up marbles..seems like he lost some of his since the race when he banged into the side of Lewis. Why take all the unnecessary risks? I am sure if he were in Lewis' position in the Malaysian race he would have forced the issue with Max even if his car wasn't fast enough. Lewis did the sensible and mature thing by letting Max go at the point. It was a long race, Max could have had some problem later on, so Lewis just had to keep himself intact, in contention and in front of Vettel....that he did. Vettel is taking too many risks...the removing of the steering wheel, riding on the side of a race car...unnecessary risks. The safety car was just behind. Unnecessary.
     
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  13. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    About says it all.
     
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  14. SgtBhaji

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    Did anybody watch the video? Lolz
     
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  15. dhel

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    On Vettel says Stroll wasn't looking where he was going wile searching for marbles, but Vettel wasn't looking himself,
     
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  16. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    He left him a country mile. What we're currently saying is it's Vettel's fault for not anticipating Stroll being a knob.
     
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  17. Number 1 Jasper

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    I think ( From what I have read including comment from Toto himself ) that it is not so much Ferrari performing better , it is Merc losing their way .
     
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  18. dhel

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    Isn't it at all possible that Vettel was in Stroll's blind spot and Stroll might not figure Vettel would overtake him to try to get to the marbles first? After all the race was finished.
     
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  19. SgtBhaji

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    Isn't it at all possible that Stroll was just clumsy?
     
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  20. dhel

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    And Toto is talking tutu.....Mercedes is losing its way ...correct, but the Ferarri car is performing much better than Mercedes now. Just they seem to be tripping up themselves. Maybe Mercedes has put too much of its resources into 2018 a bit too early...counting chickens before they hatched...
     
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