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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

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    52.1%
  1. Lawrence Jacoby

    Lawrence Jacoby Well-Known Member

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    I have heard that in the US there are lots of black peoples inhaling white peoples and to think we taught them all to walk
     
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  2. West London Willy

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    Watch this. It's never been more clearly stated.

     
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    The differences you rightly highlight aren't racial nature, though, they're social nurture, wouldn't you agree? They're split along racial lines, yes, possibly as a result of slavery, which is still only 160-ish years back in America’s past. Segregation is even closer to the present, obviously. If you take a poor black kid, raise them in a middle class family and send them to college they're likely to avoid turning into a gang member. Same for poor white people. They might well not start stockpiling guns and wearing tinfoil hats if they had a better education and could afford or access proper healthcare.
     
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    Outstanding. Good find, nothing more to say.
     
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    They should try kneeling to protest Black on Black crime, that's the epidemic.
     
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    I am genuinely creeped out by all this ‘oh Jeremy Corbyn’ crap. If he thinks he’s the mainstream he’s going to be sadly disappointed, as are his witless chanting acolytes.

    Remind us of your Brexit policy Jezza?

    Emma Dent Coad, MP for Grenfell, has a bash at Prince Phillip and Prince Harry in very personal terms at an anti monarchy event. There is a powerful argument for republicanism (I am on the fence on this one, I like the idea but don’t have any problem with the Royal Family, though I’m not interested in their personal lives, even thinking about them is off the bottom of my list of things to think about), but this isn’t the way to make it. It’s like saying don’t vote labour because Emma Dent Coad is an ugly, screeching old bat. Which would be ungentlemanly.
     
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    Don't let it get to you so much, Stan. He's not mainstream - it's left-wing populism - but he would win an election if there was one tomorrow. Sadly there won't be one any time soon, unless the Tories implode next week.
     
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    Coad was not only unbelievably rude, she was factually wrong too. She said Harry wasn't a qualified helicopter pilot, whereas he flew helicopter gunships. Silly cow!
    This Corbyn phenomena actually reminds me of a cult, with many brain-washed youngsters believing he is their saviour. They're even calling him JC as in Jesus Christ. Alarming!!
     
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  9. Tramore Ranger

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    He's like the bloody Pied Piper with all his young followers and as for his singing crowd, wtf?

    Oh and he voted to remain in Europe, yeah right.......
     
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    i read somewhere coad was on the board that looked after grenfell
    was that true
     
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    According to her wiki page she was a board member of Kensington & Chelsea TMO between June 2008 and October 2012........

    Dent Coad was elected to Conservative-controlled Kensington and Chelsea London Borough Council in 2006, representing Golborne ward.[9] She served as a council-appointed board member of Kensington and Chelsea TMO, the tenant management organisation which manages the council's housing stock, from 27 June 2008 to 31 October 2012.[10][11][12] In 2013/4 she was a member of the council's Housing and Property Scrutiny Committee.[13][14] She has been a member of the council's Planning Applications Committee since May 2013, and a member of the main Planning Committee since June 2014.[15] She is a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.[16]
     
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    Any political leader who has mass chanting of his name as part of his act makes me feel a little bit sick. He should be throroughly embarrassed by it, but now it seems to be encouraged.

    Tories could implode at any minute. Johnson and Fox talking at the launch of a new hard Brexit pressure group, hosted in the Foreign Office.
     
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  13. Lawrence Jacoby

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    5 years to wait In British Bolotics
    Let’s hope all the current leaders are dead by the next election
     
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    A row has broken out between Labour’s new Kensington MP Emma Dent Coad and her Conservative predecessor over the Grenfell Tower fire.
    Ms Dent Coad, below, has accused Tory-led Kensington and Chelsea council of failures that led to the blaze, claiming “poor-quality materials and construction standards have played a part in this hideous and unforgivable event”.
    But as a councillor she was on Kensington and Chelsea’s housing scrutiny committee, which oversees “community safety issues”, until May 2014.
    A 2014/15 report, in which she is named, says the committee scrutinised work on Grenfell Tower.
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    She was on the board of Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation when the tower’s refurbishment was discussed.
    Kensington’s ex-Tory MP, Victoria Borwick, said Ms Dent Coad shared “collective responsibility” for the work.
     
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    Latest round of negotiations in Brussels ending, with no progress forecast.

    YouGov poll shows that a full 21% of us think that he Government is doing a good job on Brexit. I’m amazed that so many of us are so generous.
     
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    Any thoughts on the 92% vote in the referendum to establish an independent Kurdistan?

    Of course Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey object, the nations which have actively oppressed the Kurds for decades at least, and I have just heard an Iraqi spokesman saying military force could be used to ‘regain control of the provinces’ and that an independent Kurdistan would cause ‘instability in the region’. What, more instability than now? Probably the fact that the Kurdish area of Iraq has a lot of oil may have something to do with it.

    Only Israel has come out in support of the Kurds, probably because it pisses off a lot of their traditional enemies. I don’t understand why other western countries are against it. I have a lot of time for the Kurds (though I’m sure I am ignorant of lots of bad stuff too) - they have been both incredibly brave as well as the most effective group in fighting ISIS, they wind up the Islamic fascist Erdogan which can only be a good thing and in some areas they practise a fascinating and weird and wonderful form of participative democracy akin to syndicalist anarchism. They also seem to allow women a full role in society - including front line fighting against ISIS. If there is one group capable of setting up a stable and open state in this region it would seem to be the Kurds - they have already done this for all intents and purposes in northern Iraq, where the capital Erbil is said to be a very civilised and cultured place. I also doubt they have much to fear in military terms from the Iraqi army.

    All the borders in this part of the world were drawn by us and the French after the First World War and seem to bear little relation to ethnic, linguistic and cultural groups (long straight lines through deserts, where most people are nomadic, is a clue). Perhaps a redrawing of them would actually help.
     
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    Aside from oil, there's your reason right there. All of these countries lining up against the establishment of an independent Kurdistan want to be in charge of the region. None of them are really interested in co-habiting with their neighbours, were they to be honest about it. The best they would all be willing to settle for is tolerating the existence of other nations. And the Kurds are showing them that things can be different.

    And good luck with finding an agreement on redrawing borders. Imagine after all this time, you suddenly find out that some bloke in a government office has decided you're welsh after all...
     
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    Quick get your Euros in now!
    May is speaking live and the pound will fall again!
     
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    Provision was made for an independent nation of Kurdistan in the Treaty of Sevres, but Kemal Atatürk blocked it. Which is a shame. It was going to be fully independent too, unlike Syria (French protectorate) and Iraq (British protectorate).
     
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    Part of the problem is that gangs and gang leaders become surrogate parents for adolescents, who haven't known a father figure and whose mothers are out working. It's not a racial issue generally - rudderless kids have always been attracted to gangs - but it does seem to be particularly deadly for black kids on the streets of Chicago, LA etc where you can be shot just for wearing the wrong colour scarf
     
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