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The 'where is Manny' Singapore GP chat and predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Big Ern, Sep 11, 2017.

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Who will take the chequered flag

Poll closed Sep 16, 2017.
  1. Lewis Hamilton

    13.3%
  2. Seb Vettel

    46.7%
  3. Valtieri Bottas

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    0.0%
  4. Kimi Raikonnen

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    0.0%
  5. Danny Ricciardo

    20.0%
  6. Max Verstappen

    20.0%
  7. Jolyon Palmer

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  8. Stirling Moss

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Manny EMSC

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Other (specify)

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  1. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone has suggested a penalty is required, the stewards also chalked it up as a racing incident. Three drivers had a legitimate case of getting to the first corner first and not wishing to yield their advantage :-

    1. Vettel had pole
    2. Max had a decent start and had a run on Vettel
    3. Kimi absolutely nailed it and wanted to get both of them.


    As I said right when it happened, 3 into 1 doesn't go. Only Max tried to back out of it to avoid the collision.
     
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  2. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member
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    We're all just in shock that we all agree. We'll just keep going till we disagree :)
     
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  3. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Ferrari's tweet about Max taking out Kimi, who then speared into Seb is not very good.



    It may be 'factual' as they say, but it certainly reads in an accusatory tone.

    Feel a real war of words could develop between RBR and Ferrari over this incident as Horner hasn't exactly been diplomatic this weekend either.
     
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  4. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    I think if Lewis was in Vettel's position there he might have handled it differently too...a couple times when Lewis had pole this year he could have put himself in that position but he bailed out and people were saying that he is getting a little soft....I think he has learnt that you can't win on the first lap.
     
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  5. eddie_squidd

    eddie_squidd Well-Known Member

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    Ferrari are funny. Only they could try and straight-facedly try to pin the blame for that on Verstappen. They are masters of being shameless.
     
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  6. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I don't remember Hamilton giving up a lead at the first corner on purpose, I don't remember any driver of an F1 car ever doing that, if they did it would probably be their last drive. you can't blame someone for not having a hindsight mirror.
     
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  7. eddie_squidd

    eddie_squidd Well-Known Member

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    It was clearly Whitmarsh's fault.
     
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  8. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    or orders from Flabio
     
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  9. dhel

    dhel Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you about Max comments before the race though....he said he was going for it and he had nothing to lose...don't think that is the correct approach..he lost some good points there and a possible win, but Vettel she have taken that as a warning as Max isn't fighting for the title. I really think that had Max braked and avoided the collision the Ferarris world have taken out each other. I think the plan might have been to block Max but it didn't quite work out.
     
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  10. eddie_squidd

    eddie_squidd Well-Known Member

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    If the Ferraris had hit each other I don't think Max could have avoided running into the wreckage.
     
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  11. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    I think all members of the forum should be grateful that Hamilton was not one of those three cars.

    I mean.........can you imagine the merry hell that would be taking place now!!!???
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    All I can say is thanks max for ruining the season as this is now a cake walk for Lewis. Rest season, easy peasy.

    I predicted it right at stsrt of this thread. Verstsppen will hit someone... luckily for him it wasn't his fault but one things for sure. He was never ever backing down so vettel squeezed the wrong guy there
     
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  13. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I guess Ferrari don't want him for 2019 then.
    Actually he did try to back out of it, but by then it was already too late.
     
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  14. ErnieBecclestone

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    Or a Red bull or even a BMW.

    Just watching the BBC News, what does it matter considering whats happening on this planet, human beings are !!!!!!!!!! words can,t describe, what on earth are we going too do.
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Eh?

    And absolutely anything could happen yet. One bad weekend for Hamilton and it's game on again. Way too soon to be counting chickens.
     
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    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Still Hamilton's fault. If he'd have qualified better none of this would have happened. He knew exactly what he was doing. :p
     
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  17. BrightLampShade

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    Has there been any footage or explanation to what actually ended Vettels race? Did he simply spin out under acceleration or was something actually already broken?

    I heard about radiator damage but on a wet track extra water getting on the tyres wouldn't really hinder him specifically. Or was he losing oil/hydrolic as well?

    Suspension damage? I may have missed it but I feel a lack of explanation may mean he binned it on his own. Granted his engine would have failed anyway but still.
     
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  18. SgtBhaji

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    Saw some footage of it but still not sure what happened. Guessing something was borked.
     
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  19. allsaintchris.

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    When he turned his car around at the back of the pack you could see coolant gushing out from it. That would be slippery enough to cause his rear tyres to spin up unexpectedly with all the extra bits that would go into making the coolant.
     
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  20. cosicave

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    If coolant was spraying onto the left rear, it would create a disparity in grip levels of the rear tyres. If one rear tyre has more grip than the other, all else being equal, it will drive the grippier side of the car harder than the other. When this happens under significant acceleration, the likely outcome is a rotation of the car about its centre of mass, in the direction of the tyre with less traction.

    Vettel rotated left before then over-correcting and spinning the nose of his car to the barrier on the right. Most likely cause would be a difference in grip levels at the rear, thus supporting the notion of a leak to the rear left, immediately behind the damaged radiator.
     
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