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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. Tobes

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    I wasn't referring to freight forwarders....but in any case, I thought the customs chaos was going to mean new businesses sprouting up all over the UK?

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    Yes, there will loads more businesses due to the free trade deals the UK will have with countries around the world.
     
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    So the UK sorts out a free trade deal with some far flung ex colony or whatever......who's cost the lower cost base? errrrmmm, who's got the cheaper cost of labour? errrmmmm. So who's more liable to be flooding the other with cheap (and probably nasty) imports?

    Yeah intensively farmed beef...whoop, whoooop.
     
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    More project fear nonsense.
     
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    What the basic economics of manufacturing is fake news?

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    Why did most of our BRITISH owned manufacturing base disappear round the U bend again mate? :emoticon-0138-think
     
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  6. superhorns

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    As far as I know you are not a 'mate' of mine, please kindly refrain.

    A lot of the traditional British industry was unable to compete form the 50's due to a lack of investment and an inability to match countries that had a cheaper labour force. The Moscow sponsored unions played their part too. The UK also had to compete with a Germany having a massive amount of investment after the war. The UK made up for a lot of this loss of business by excelling in the service industry. The present government is determined to redress the balance back in favour of manufacture, science and technology. The future is lots of small companies specialising in high value products not dependent on cheap labour. The UK is ideally placed with a flexible workforce and business friendly environment. There does need to be a national investment bank where these companies can access loans on a more long term basis and very competitive interest rate.
     
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    Scouse parlance and being friendly offends you Southern Tories then eh? Sorry old bean.

    You missed Thatcher out of your second paragraph btw....

    Ironically the growth sectors should be science and technology areas, most of whom are currently nurtured by EU funding via Universities and the LEP's
     
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    When we are not sending vast amounts over to Brussels there will be ample funds to invest in these areas. Hasn't the government already promised future funding as I recall?

    Thatcher indeed played her part in the regeneration of the UK's fortunes, without her we would still be the sick man of Europe on industrial relations. This title is currently held by France.
     
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    Tobes, do you deal with the port near Liverpool that had a recent large investment, I know Southampton were really miffed, I don't know if they lost out because of it, can you enlighten me?
     
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    The Govt have promised that they'll fund existing projects to their conclusion if they overrun our exit date.

    I would hope they have the foresight to make ongoing business investment in those areas a priority, but past experience of their eagerness to leave industry to 'market forces' doesn't bode well imo. They need to replace the funding in R&D at our Universities as well, which is the catalyst for innovation.

    France has higher productivity than the UK btw......our productivity is amongst the worst in Europe, but don't let facts get in the way.
     
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    I was not talking about productivity but about days lost due to industrial action. The French have to survive on less workers as nobody is employed unless urgently needed. The vast amount of worker protection in France actually works against the employees in the form of much less jobs, hence the high unemployment rate.

    No, I thought the government were assuring these areas currently covered by the EU that adequate funding would be there after Brexit. It should be easy when we stop our subsidies to Brussels.
     
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    The French do the work of a Brit in 4 days compared to 5.....so that's a difference of 47 days per year in terms of efficiency. The difference in strike days per employee is about 0.15 days per year. Maybe there's less jobs available as they're 20% more efficient, just a thought like.......

    The Govt have given no assurances re: covering anything beyond the saying they'll pay for the projects that's timeframe exceed our leaving date. My better half is on a National EU funding panel btw
     
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    The new container port you mean? No, I don't deal with them, but it's part of the redevelopment of the waterfront and the deepwater container port will be joined by a cruise terminal, which is probably why Southampton had their arse out.
     
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    The last chart I saw the French lost 5 times as many days through industrial action as the UK, a massive difference. That is without the present campaign against the necessary reforms.

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    Why do you only go down as far as Germany SH. ? We don't want them thinking they're the best at something ! The list goes on:
    The Netherlands - 9
    Sweden - 4
    Austria - 3
    Hungary - 2
    Poland - 1
    Switzerland - 1
    Lithuania - 1
    Latvia - 0
    Slovakia - 0

    So, bearing in mind that Slovakia and Latvia are joint champions in this, with Poland breathing down their necks can we really assume that this is a good indicator of national productivity ?
     
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    Strange that France has the highest number of trades unions, but the lowest membership of them anywhere in Europe. You can also find statistics that show there is almost 50% more depression in the UK as in France and four times as much as in Greece or Italy. Mind you on that measurement we would all have trouble keeping up with Iceland.
     
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    Hopefully France has changed since then?

    France, the world's most depressed nation? - France 24
     
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    The figures I quoted came from 2016, but I don't think that any of the research is carried out using the same methods. I do believe however that a sociologist would have enough to think about to write a book on the different attitudes of the people living in Europe.
     
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    Reports tonight that the government is looking to keep things as they are now until 2023. If that is correct Liam Fox can go on holiday.
     
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