Match Day Thread Vs Man City (A)

Mané clearly had eyes for the ball, so I don't think there was any malice in it. However, players do have a responsibility not to endanger each other thoughtlessly, and the ref couldn't see his eyes, so a red was always going to be the outcome.

 

To me the goalie putting head in was difference to ref between yellow for high foot and the red he gave.
Also think cause it was goalie swayed ref
Outfield player bends to knock on and run gets caught usually results in yellow
If stays consistent I will be fine but it won't

 

Absolutely right.

What some people don't understand is that players have a responsibility not to endanger the other player. That is different to the players not to maliciously hurt another. Now the onus was on Mane not to raise his foot as soon as he saw ederson coming out. For me it is a certain red. I agree with Carra and not with Neville who was talking about rewards being too great. So if you have a possible goal, you have licence to do anything that's not permitted elsewhere?

Later during the game, the city gk came out and Henderson didn't stick his leg out. He was right.

 

well that was a bit ****e.
My immediate thought on the red card incident was "he's in trouble" then saw replay & for me deffo red card.
After that well we went to pieces & that includes Klopp subbing Salah .
As i have pointed out a few times already this season TAA has serious defensive deficiencies
Only players who came out with any credit at all from today were Migs & Henderson.
Roll on Seville

 

You know what I expect ... every player still on the pitch to give their all.

Terrible game today, another one consigned to the history books - something like worst loss since 1937

 

The thing is you can look at stills and replays all day long but in real time Mane running to get the ball puts his foot high to take it down - does he see the keeper's absolutely bonkers decision to meet him with head bent low? - I don't think he does. Red card or not I don't know.

 

I dont comment to often, .

On today's game, it was over after the red, we where on top, even after they scored i thought we would go on and get something. I will brook no argument regardless of clause c act 7 iii it was not red card.

The game was gone, many teams will be done at the eithed this season, 3 point lost but not unexpected. Klopp knew the game was gone, so why not just let it happen, pull your kneck in and get prepared for Seville. ( or kill yourself for a possible draw against one of the best sides in the league and be ****ed come wednesday)

Today is one of those days, shrug your shoulders and move on. We were not beaten by a better team, we were not shown up, city can have there little celebration, but over the course of a season, todays result will mean very little.

Regards

The Fool

 

I always feel deflated when the talking point of a game, which should have been a high scoring exciting game, is a red card. Whether it was deserved or not it killed the game off. Until then, although they had scored, we were still in it. Had Mane in my FL team as well so that red did not help matters.

 

Hope Oxlade-Chamberlain is not going to be a jinx. The last two games he has played in he has lost 4-0 and 5-0 !!!!

 

But he's also been part of two of Arsenal's biggest ever wins a 7-1 and 5-0 ..... and he didn't have much playing time in either of the two losses you mention. So don't worry .... yet

 

It's ok guys. We have Karius to save us on Wednesday

 

I couldn't understand the substitution, tbh. Salah needs a bit of work on his finishing but he can get into good positions and he would have been the major outlet in the second half. Firmino is a clever player, but a team one - he needs runners to exchange passes with and hasn't the pace to do it on his own.
Trent was struggling from the off, imo. He has talent and potential, but this shows why managers always prefer experience when it's available.
Anyway, this was always a game which could go any number of ways - the red card tipped the balance and the rest was a domino effect.
Forget it and move on. I'll be far more pissed off if we don't get a result from Burnley.

 

Ignoring the red card debate, I am disappointed in the team. No reason for them to go and get embarrassed like that, it was uneccessary. Heads went and made it too easy for city.

 

Klopp verdict

On Mane’s dismissal…

An accident. A very unlucky situation. Of course, I think everyone knows Sadio did not see the goalie. It was not for one second that he had a look at the goalie or whatever, he just wanted to get the ball as soon as possible. That’s when happened then the red card and we cannot change it anymore. Hopefully the goalie is not seriously injured. I think in the first moment when all the people were on the pitch it looked like this. After the game he was in the dugout, so hopefully, as I said, it is not too serious.

On Mane’s reaction after the game…

He is very, very, very upset. We couldn’t keep him up, he was shocked about the situation and I am sure also about the decision because he didn’t think [it would be red]. If the leg is not where the leg is, you can also say it is a foul from the goalie. What can I say? In the end it is a red card and I am sure enough people will find enough reasons to say it the right decision and we cannot change it anymore. Of course, it had a big influence on the game today.

On whether he was encouraged by his side’s early attacking performance, or concerned by the defensive display after being reduced to 10 men…

Encouraged? No. Because I really expect from us; I expect from us that we are more stronger in the first half an hour. Both teams did not really defend really well, both teams were not compact really, but we had a lot of chances. We were pretty much [hard] to defend for City in these situations, they had two yellow cards on the 18-yard line.

It was, in a lot of moments, very unlucky for us but I don’t think we have to think too much about luck or something like this because we cannot change luck. But we can change performance. I know it’s difficult after the international break because they played in different positions, had different jobs to do, different systems and all that stuff, so it’s always difficult, but I thought we should have been in the lead in the first half. At 1-0 it was 11 versus 11 and it was a moment when we were in possession, everything was good. City didn’t play too high pressure, they made a little bit of pressure [for the first goal] because we played the ball back to Simon and he could only shoot the long ball.

It’s a normal challenge then, a little foul on Gini I think, but then because of the long ball we didn’t push up and two players were around Ragnar and one of them could get the ball. I thought they had two or three similar situations in the second half and that makes no sense. I know we can be really good, so after we have spoken about this I will try to help the boys to ignore the result today – not the mistakes we did, but the result because it’s already done. We should have scored, we should have had more chances, Mo was three or four times on the touchline in the 18-yard box, of even the six-yard box, and you have to find someone, but nobody was at the front post, nobody.

They were things you can speak about and change for the second half, but then with one man down it was a difficult situation at half-time because I was so positive about the opportunity we should still. Yes, with one man down against City, it is really not the best place to be, but we do it a lot of training – we defend with only seven players against 14.

They cannot create chances if you are in the right space and use the offside line, which we did not do around the second goal. 2-0 down at City with one man down is not a really cool situation. It was difficult, but we could have done better in the second half. I am not concerned about this; it was a hard lesson today, but I know the boys are good enough and we will learn from it. What we also need to learn from the first half is that we need to influence the game in another direction, we need to score here. I think everyone saw it, so it was obviously obvious.

On Liverpool’s performance…

Both teams were not really compact, that’s true. I was also not happy about this, but we cannot have these situations if City would’ve defended perfectly so you can defend not perfectly and still win 5-0. Yes, we were not compact enough, all three up front were not really involved, we didn’t jump in the midfield [and] go on Fernandinho. It was one, two passes, and Fernandinho could turn, that was the first problem only because Fernandinho had the ball and could play it to De Bruyne and Silva, but they didn’t create many things from this.

Against City, you can always come a step too late and then they pass through the lines so that’s how it is. We had our chances but we were at a maximum of 60 per cent – that’s why I thought if it was still 11 v 11… I don’t care about the result too much, you can create again chances, do this better and be more clinical in the other situations and you will score goals. Obviously all went against us, and the good moments we could not use and the bad moments give us the punch, so that’s how it was.

On the Reds’ midfield and defence…

Two weeks ago we spoke about the midfield and actually we have four in the back line and then six in these situations that have to defend better. Yes, they could’ve done better, of course, but we could’ve done better with the ball. Also in the second half, a lot of things - you don’t lose 5-0 when a lot of things are right, but it’s not that I’m concerned in the long-term.

I think if City takes too much confidence from this game today they make a mistake, if we lose too much confidence because of this game we also make a mistake. After the international break, one man down, young players on the pitch in different positions, it was hard for the boys I know, but we don’t look for excuses. I don’t think we had influence on the red card, it was not a foul but at the end it was a red card so we have to accept it, but we were not overly aggressive or something like this, and that changed the game today. We know it, now we can talk about all the rest, but… what would have happened if we could have played 11 versus 11? But I don’t have the chance to watch this game, so I have to take this one and that’s how it is.

On whether the decision to substitute Salah at half-time was tactical…

Yes. He is completely OK.

On whether Coutinho could return against Sevilla…

Yes.

 

I'm 100% sure there was no malice in it but that is still a red card. A high boot to the face is a red card whether or not there was any malice intended.

Huge shame for us and Mané. No doubt if he hadn't gone for it he would have been accused of not giving 100%.

Killed the match for us unfortunately. I think we had every bit of ability to get 1 or more points from it prior to that.

 

What he said is correct. He didn't say that Mane deserved a red (which he didn't have to tbh). He will no doubt have a quiet word (or should do) with him about being careful in those situations. It doesn't matter whether it was a 50-50 or he was committed. He just had to pull away as soon as the GK came out and headed the ball.

 

Our future-players team just lost against Watford too.

 

I've asked the Southampton board if Van Dijk has a relegation release clause

Good job they spent all window making not selling him their only aim

 

Oh I agree...at least on the it was under today's rules a red (although I still maintain if someone dips their head they are asking for trouble). And yes I was being an arse earlier.. didn't think a red live...but replays, straight high leg etc.... just thought I'd continue due to wums lol.

I disagree however on telling him not to go there. It's fractions. I want my strikers going for those balls....ive seen many many like that where the striker gets there first and is around the keeper or is flattened by the keeper and they are sent off. Otherwise might as well make the box 30 yards deep and continue this idea that the tallest heaviest guy on the pitch should be treated like he's a 4ft girl made of ice....

 

Who says bookies dont know what they are talking about.. Just shows the gap between a title contender and what Liverpool can produce....A no contest at the end of the day.....