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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. benditlikeabanana

    benditlikeabanana Well-Known Member

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    The senate has 6months to sort this out, most of those effected have a 2 year waiver, and if the senete can not find a solution then they can extend the 6 month time period without a problem.
    Let's not forget that the parents of these kids knew what they were doing was illegal. These kids are in limbo, hard core Republicans on the Senate only number a few, I can see that these dreamers will get a US passport in the end. Everyone wins
     
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  2. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    So these kids are to be punished because of what their parents did?

    And what did their parents do, again? Risked everything to try to give thrir kids a better life.

    No, everybody doesn't win. Humanity loses.
     
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  3. ImpSaint

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    Read the last 2 pages and it was all far too polite with me not here :)

    Back from a lovely holiday in EUROPE where I have been enjoying listening to all the Portuguese moan about the EU and how lucky I am to be British :)
     
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  4. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    I think you are the Politics thread! Maybe you need another holiday to recover from the last one?
     
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  5. ImpSaint

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    I'm still recovering from my holiday. Back to the sleepy land of the UK where no noise is allowed after 11pm. Festival week in Palmela is party in the streets until 4am+ with the main square being a full on outdoor disco right up to 4am with the whole village out and awake all 6 days. I'm knackered (and my liver needs to recover.)

    On top of that they decided this year to do a pre-party the week before where 2000+ had an outdoor nightclub again until 4am.

    Vastly different to Lincoln where all outdoor events involving any volume or mass gatherings has to finish at 11pm. They even cut the power during the encore at one of the gigs at Lincoln Castle a couple of years ago when it hit 11pm.

    This photo is about 3-30am. Needed to find some space away from the crowds. lol. Bang up to date doing "This is Portugal '90." The wife didn't match my 30 odd half pints and it shows. lol. The stage was about 400m to the right as you look at the picture and we are in the space in the middle between the vast crowd to the right bouncing to the "bangin tunes" and the vast crowd to the left buying beer, wine and Moscatel from the umpteen bars.
     

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  6. Whiteley Saint

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    Nasty sunburn. hope your wife is OK! :rolleyes:
     
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  7. ImpSaint

    ImpSaint Well-Known Member

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    Lol. Hic. you are interrupting my Fonseca 20 year old, Hic.
     
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  8. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

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    This is what the rise of the far right is bringing. Made me double check a few things.

    Born in 1969 in the UK to an Indian Father and Italian Mother. Just checked. Father got UK citizenship in 1965 and mother in 1969 before I was born.

    Quite gutted about my mum doing that now as if she still had her Italian passport when I was born (she gave it up totally), I could have applied for an Italian passport and got dual nationality before we leave Europe. Still, think I only have to live there for 12 months as I have an Italian parent rather than 5 years for others if I want one. The way things are going here, maybe a nice quiet life in Southern Italy may be the way forward :)

    But it did make me check that after 48 years of being born, living, studying, working and paying tax, some weird law change would get me to move to a country I have never been to...
     
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  9. benditlikeabanana

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    Even Obamas lawyer has said that DACA would not stand up in court. 9 states were going to take the DACA ruling to court, if 1 state won the whole DACA would be made illegal and all 800,000 people would lose all cover and not be able to work. The only body that can pass a bill effecting so many people is congress. These people have to renew DACA every 2 years, the D in DACA is for DEFERRED, its a bullshit law that just keeps the wolves from the door. No one is being deported and no one is being banned from working, congress will pass a proper law within 6 months or get an extension. DACA applicants can get a 2 year extension upto October. People are reacting like these DACA people are being shipped out. Why are people not slagging off the parents for breaking multiple laws over many years
     
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  10. VocalMinority

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...damage-anguilla-antigua-barbuda-a7933856.html

    Locals are angry with our response to the hurricane destruction to british territory. worst hurricane in since 1920 years on british soil and we've sent 1 ship with 40 marines and engineers.

    “Our staff are on standby, both in the UK and at post, to support any British people affected. We urge British nationals in the affected area to closely monitor and follow Foreign Office and local travel advice.”
    I'm sure everyone stranded on these islands without power or phone lines are going to have access to the web or w/e..


    I don't understand why we don't do some serious deployoment for these. we spend so much time and resources doing training exercises for our troops to prepare them for war. but here you have a real life situation where so much of what we do in training could be put to practice and tried out.

    You have a situation where troops will need to organise and communicate in difficult terrain and conditions, organise a supply chain, do search and rescue, work with locals and lots of other skills that are essential for winning a war and we specifically set up training situations to simulate. And at the same time you are actually helping save lives and improve Britains reputation. Surely this should be a golden opportunity?

    I just don't understand why we don't commit to it.
     
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  11. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    I'm going to get around to the dual nationality thing before too long.

    Edit: Sitting by the pool.
     
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  12. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    Would having a stepdaughter resident in Barcelona qualify me for dual nationality? :)
     
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  13. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    I think we are committing to it?

    British troops - royal marines in particular, and other rapid deployment troops like the paras - are involved in humanitarian missions all round the world, all the time.
     
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  14. I Sorry I Ruined The Party

    I Sorry I Ruined The Party Well-Known Member

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    DACA went to the Supreme Court. They deadlocked at 4-4 as to whether it was unconstitutional. Now that Trump has changed the composition of the court by adding an additional conservative member, I think that DACA would be overturned. However, had Clinton won and put a liberal justice on the court then DACA would have been upheld. So I would say DACA is neither clearly unconstitutional nor clearly constitutional.

    If as you say, DACA is unconstitutional, then Congress cannot "get an extension." How would that work? Trump can't give Congress an extension to do something he has no authority over in the first place.

    Also, if DACA is unconstitutional because the President cannot unilaterally make policy on immigration, then how is Trump's travel ban constitutional?

    The topic of whether EO's on immigration are constitutional is an interesting topic for US Constitutional legal scholars, I suppose. But it has absolutely nothing to do with any of what is happening.

    Allowing DACA recipients to gain citizenship is supported by the majority of the country. And even by a slight majority of conservatives. But it leaves conservatives in a pickle because moderates favor a path to citizenship but the far right doesn't. They need a way to take a stand without offending either party. The way to do that is by dodging the substantive moral issue, and focusing on Presidential overreach. If you don't support the bill because it is unconstitutional, then you don't have to talk about the merits.

    The GOP in Congress has been playing this game for ages. The Attorney Generals who are from conservative states however, don't care about the GOP in Congress. Their constituents are the far right. They just want to get immigrants out of the country and don't particularly care much how it's done.

    This put Trump in a difficult place. Because his base consists of those some far right assholes. But his base is still a minority. Trump won by convincing the moderate "Party over Country" and rabidly anti-Clinton conservatives to go along with the far right. So Trump punted. He was like "Hey yeah... you know what? This might not be constitutional. So I will revoke it. Congress should come up with the answer!"

    While there is a certain delicious justice in seeing the tables turned so neatly on Congress, it doesn't really excuse Trump for cowardly failing to address the issue. This happened with healthcare as well. Rather than get things done, Trump is just going to fob everything off on Congress. He has given them the impossible task of dealing with DACA, healthcare reform, the wall, tax reform, an infrastructure plan, disaster relief, raising the debt ceiling, gutting government agencies, and the Russia Investigation. Many of these things alone would take nearly a full session of Congress. Obamacare took like a year, the last successful tax reform was in 1985.

    I suppose in some ways, I am quite happy to see Trump cock it up so badly. It means most of his stupid policy doesn't get passed. But it also means Trump was as hilariously incompetent as we thought. And he still got elected. And he still has support. So it doesn't address the root problem of US voters are idiots. And until that is fixed, we'll just keep electing assholes.
     
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  15. VocalMinority

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    You realise this isn't some token humanitarian effort for some other country? This is a british territory, thousands of British citizens have just been made homeless and had their lives destroyed. It's our responsibility.

    I'm sure if a category 5 hurricane had just ripped through the Isle of Wight we would send more than 40 people to help deal with it...
     
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  16. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    We might have a few more resources stationed nearby if it happened in the I.O.W.

    One ship with 40 Royal Marines is a bit more than a token gesture, and was probably as much as the UK was able to despatch at short notice to a territory 1000s of miles away. I doubt that will constitute the full extent of the UK's response.
     
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  17. VocalMinority

    VocalMinority Well-Known Member

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    France managed to get troops there in advance to help prepare (we can predict these things) and we've not even got that one ship there yet.

    That very token gesture of 40 troops is all we're sending out of our military of 100,000+ who's purpose is to protect them.
     
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  18. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Where have you heard that?

    I very much doubt that will be the case.
     
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  19. SaintinSerbia

    SaintinSerbia Annoying Twat

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    I think someone invented aeroplanes in 1908 and now we have quite big ones
     
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  20. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Pretty sure the airfields are ****ed?
     
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