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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Lawrence Jacoby

    Lawrence Jacoby Well-Known Member

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    Agreed it's current currency what happens however if the pound fails?
    Could you work from the UK because surely with or without conversion eventually you will have to operate to live in the nations currency
    Do you agree/believe that companies are moving or looking to move their HQ into Europe? Intetested to know
     
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  2. Lawrence Jacoby

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    No but the ceremonies are religious are they not? What could be the alternative? ... skips not an issue of respect but no heaven or afterlife what is the point ?
    Many people I know are content in their faith is the meaning of their lives
    We invented terrorism so I agree that won't fade away
     
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    Listen, you get paid in Euros today, next 10 minutes call a FX dept and change it for Stg, its really not that hard.
     
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    Sorry don't get your point. We all compromise our principles (more like guidelines) everyday in one way or another, we have to get along with other people. It would have to be a really unpleasant atheist to boycott the funeral of a friend or family member on anti religious grounds. Or because the dead person follows a different religion. The ceremony is, from my perspective, about remembering the deceased, not some mystic seeing them off to the afterlife, and even if other people in the congregation believe the latter, I can not believe it and still not spoil things for them. It's quite possible to have a ceremony with no religious ritual involved if you want- we did for my dad, who had no religion (actually I think his view was quite similar Col's, but it wasn't a big topic of conversation around the dinner table. That was QPR mainly). A couple of his old mates said a few words, then I did and pressed the button to send the coffin off. No one who never knew him involved. Quite hard to do, but the undertaker was impressed.

    As I have said above people who are content in their faith and don't force it on others are lucky if it makes them happy - good luck to them.
     
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  5. Lawrence Jacoby

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    Of course but the clue is that many companies are in fact changing their default currency's to Euros that surely is an worrying trend?

    Is it just a belief that the pound may never regain its worth and therefore its power? I currently do exactly what you say using TransferWise have done since it started ... paid in £s and I transfer 2k each month into my French bank today that costs me a lot more ... equates to around 200 euros difference in under 11 months
    In the future I will paid in Euros I am told and have to do the reverse to pay for things in the UK
    Surely the value of Sterling must play a major factor in running a business?
     
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    Refreshing of course and fully respected but I would argue that the morality and balance that could be the compound of the belief you hold have their origins in religion?
    It's just a current trend imo to dismiss the unknown as nonsense because as you know I have arrived to the point that I am just a hypocritical ant
    I agree no one should push religion in the manner it has and adaption is urgently needed to the church of man but I know my faith helps me overcome difficult obstacles in the life given to me. I believe man was given the gift of faith through religion and events since whenever are of man's making. Having fought off illness recently and controlling the monkey in my ear I can only say a faith has empowered me and you do feel compelled to share if you feel others do not feel the same
    I am progressively now going blind yet fear nothing
    In short I understand at last what faith is
    It's QPR it isn't politics
     
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    I'm talking about companies doing business not tiddly amounts.
     
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    Then I fully respect your expertise sir
    Good day to you
     
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    What?!!!

    So you're saying that, because of Brexit, the pound will remain where it is or lower for ever!!!!?????
    I've heard it all now. It rained a lot yesterday where I was...................bloody Brexit!!
     
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    Morality and balance may have originated from Religion but religion originated from whatever was around before organised religion. Just as liberalism and acceptance of homosexuality, sexuality etc which wasn't acceptable even 60 years ago (at least in the UK) is constantly evolving, this isn't being driven by religion but what i would like to think people being more enlightened.

    You are fortunate to have faith as SB says as it obviously brings you meaning and happiness as many people do not have this.
     
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    Well it could do Col if businesses leave the U.K. for good especially in the financial sector. I think that's a reasonable outcome in the short time well until the UK recovers from the debt of leaving and rebuilds itself to its previous state of ruling the world
     
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    Well, I think the morality preceded the religion, but we'll never know. And I don't know anyone more qualified to act as team shaman than you sir.

    You are certainly right that atheism, and a certain brand of aggressive atheism, is more public now than ever before and it upsets people like the Archbishop of Canterbury and others who fear being challenged, and whine on about how religion is under attack. What this ignores is the centuries, the thousands of years, up until recently when vocal unbelief was punished, at best by ostracism and at worst by torture and death (as it still is in certain fundamentalist Islamic societies). Certain brave people throughout history have managed to get their opinions published and saved, but very few compared to religious publications (see the Hitchens C anthology The Portable Atheist). Now the dam has broken, as we don't fear being killed for our views quite so much, and there are millennia of pent up thoughts, and to be fair anger, to share. The blue touch paper to set the firework off has been the rise of religious terrorism and the abuse of children by religious officers and their subsequent protection by religious organisations. Some of us have had enough, and if that upsets a few gentle C of E types, tough titty. At least we are not saying we will throw them in prison or burn them at the stake for what they believe - just challenge and mock them a bit.
     
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    Are we leaving the EU! <yikes> Why didn't they tell me!<doh>
     
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    I'm prepared to accept that I'm not able to comprehend 'nothing', Col. Or infinity for that matter. My mind is too tiny, but I can live with that.
     
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    I rather enjoy not understanding stuff, including everything to do with physics. I was reading something the other day about time starting with the Big Bang, as it is a feature of speed, gravity, movement etc and wouldn't exist without these things in a spatial universe. So pre Big Bang there was no time. Beg pardon?

    Sticking with religion, Jake Rees Mogg, uber Catholic (not being very patriotic there is he, giving his ultimate loyalty to a bloke in Rome) has come out against abortion in all circumstances - rape, incest, life threatening condition for the mother included. Also marriage is a holy scarement and only the Catholic Church can decide what is sacrosanct, not Parliament, so same sex marriage is out of bounds too. To be fair, he does admit that people can follow the law of the UK if they want. Jake is the Tory party activists favourite to be their leader. Perhaps he has terminated their hopes.
     
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    I like that bloke strangely but don't agree with what he said as it far toner any rules of religion for me
    I believe the connection of faith is simple but never should any of us stop questioning anything ... The light showing us all should show us the way and we will all make mistakes. To those who doubt I say what have you to lose? if your faith is wrong at the end of all of life questions and there is nothing then you can rest in comfort that your time spent as a simple life form had a degree of comfort within it.

    We can all borrow stories, extract and blend what ever we desire and from that to me comes an expanse of freedom equal to the universe we currently know
     
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    Which - to be fair and scientific for a second - ought to be why the theory gets utterly debunked. Whatever caused the Big Bang to go from a state of not exploding to a state of exploding must have had some time in which to happen. So either it happened, and there was something before that (the 'intelligent creator' possibly?) that triggered the event, or it didn't happen, and therefore the whole theory goes up in a non-existent puff of smoke...
     
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    That just means that you, like me, cannot conceive of a state without time, not that the theory is wrong. The theory could be wrong, but you'd need evidence to prove it. If there are any theoretical physicists on the board perhaps they can explain this in words of one syllable for me. Any response to my reply to your refusal to provide evidence for God Willy?
     
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    This is the only way I can deal with the big questions


     
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    Well no, I can't conceive a state without time, because it's not possible given the rules of expansion, entropy and decay that govern the physical universe we are inhabiting. For something to happen, there must be a time period for it to happen in.

    And I know the concept of time is just a way we measure the change between one state and another, but we're measuring something that is the major enabler for everything, just as oxygen, fuel and an ignition source are the enablers for fire. take any one of those away and fire doesn't happen. Same with time - take it away, and nothing happens.

    There's no 'timeless state' because you then get to the position of absolute entropy (and the fact that this state can be reached is further proof of how intrinsic time itself is to basically everything).

    As for my 'refusal' to offer evidence for God, I don't need to. I look around and see what I would call evidence, just as you look around and derive different conclusions from the same evidence. I very much doubt there's anything I can say or do that would prove either of our positions to your satisfaction, other than killing you and then you'll either see everything or nothing. By that time, of course, you couldn't let me know either way, and so I guess we'll just have to wait in expectation/hope/dismissiveness and see for ourselves...
     
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