A few home truths here.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...d-Moyes-Antonio-Conte-kept-Sunderland-up.html
Not with Short in charge, had he been given the go ahead to sign Bale like Man U did not that would have spoken massive things at this club, if I had been owner we would have, and look where we are now, now Grayson has to pick up the pieces poor bugger. What a shambles this club is.
I agree that nobody was keeping us up. My problem with Moyes is he made us look so undignified about it. We looked utterly pathetic. That's being kind.
Clearly Short didn't mind taking the cash from the fans who paid good money to see their club hopefully move forward. Obviously the hidden agenda was never presented to us. What a sh*t and the club goes on about transparency...trips to Nissan etc. As you mentioned Bri the quicker he sells up the better...
I don't think it's true that no manager on earth could have kept us up, on paper the squad was weak but not anywhere near as weak as performances suggested. A good manager would have given us a fighting chance I believe. Moyes sounds a little delusional, he pays lip service to taking responsibility but really he's saying he's still an excellent manager and it was Shorts and the players fault which is half true but the bloke keeps on getting fired for not being good enough. There won't be any premier league sides knocking on his door. I wonder if that partly explains the mystery of why so many players were injured with Moyes in charge, they couldn't be arsed to play for him. Obviously not the likes of Watmore but some may have been faking it.
if he as a manager /coach showed no passion from the very start he surely must look at himself first,motivation is a big factor in sport .
The thing I got from that is It wasn't Davey's fault, some of the players didn't want to play, well he,as manager should have had the balls to sort them out and stuck to playing kids who were desperate to pull the shirt on. We probably wouldn't have ended up any better off but those shirkers should have been hung out to dry and a better manager would have done that. Poor Dave he's still a good manager....yeah Bollocks.
So many good points mentioned above. Just wish Moyes had buggered off at Christmas and given someone with better motivational skills to enthuse the squad. Might not have kept us up but at least we'd have gone down fighting.
David Moyes has spoken for the first time since resigning as Sunderland boss in the wake of relegation from the Premier League.The Scot handed in his notice at the end of last season, a campaign which saw the Black Cats finish bottom of the table and drop out of the top flight for the first time in a decade. In his first interviews since leaving the Stadium of Light, Moyes has lifted the lid on his departure to The Sun and the Daily Mail about why he resigned, his time at Sunderland, his relationship with Ellis Short, the club's finances, his plans to get back into management and he has also backed the appointment of Simon Grayson. Here are some of the main points. Moyes on getting relegated: "At the end of the day, I was the manager who got them relegated. That was my first ever relegation and I hope it’ll be my last as well. "Losing got me down. To be passionate and strong, you need something to go for you. If you are getting beaten all the time, it is very difficult. "I knew the squad wasn’t big enough and I knew the level of players we would need to give us a chance of staying in the Premier League – it was a squad that was not at Premier League level. "I think Harry Redknapp got it right when he said Antonio Conte couldn’t have kept up Sunderland last season." Moyes on his Sunderland departure: "For Sunderland to get back up quickly, I felt we had to follow the clubs that had spent the money, like Newcastle. "And when I told Ellis about that he said he wouldn’t be able to fund it, he didn’t have the money. "We met and spoke after the Chelsea game, but I had a good idea of what the outcome of the meeting would be because I was in close dialogue with the chief executive Martin Bain. "Ellis didn’t want me to go and neither did Martin, but I felt I couldn’t stay under what it looked like. "And knowing that nearly 70 people had been made redundant and I was choosing to resign, I was never going to ask for a pay-off." Moyes on Sunderland owner Ellis Short and the club's finances: "I wouldn’t have taken the job had I known the extent of the financial problems and maybe it was my job to do better due diligence. "I wasn’t aware of the amount of issues Sunderland had – the amount of debt, the players they had to pay back and the detail in some of the contracts. "I don’t feel let down by Ellis because he had always wanted me. He had been after me four or five times. "And when you go into a club it’s very difficult to say, 'Show me all you’ve got'. Sometimes you have to take people at face value. "I think the disappointment was that I didn’t know the club was going to be put up for sale. "I only found that out three months into the job, after we found out there was going to be no money available in the January window. "Ellis spoke to me a couple of times and said, 'Look, I’ve put £300m of my own cash in here. I’ve got no more'. But I didn’t know that beforehand." Moyes on Simon Grayson's appointment: "I helped Martin [Bain, Sunderland chief executive]. He was talking a lot about the managers and what they were going to do so I helped him as much as I could with the decision. "Simon and the other people that were in with it were all getting discussed. I think Simon is a good choice for where Sunderland are. "I’ve spoken to him a couple of times, so I think Simon has gone in with a much better understanding of what the situation is. I think they will do well in the end but it might take him a bit of time." Moyes on getting back into management: "My last game was my 499th as a Premier League manager. I’ve got about 890 games as a manager in total and I’d like to break the thousand. "There’s a sense of wanting to get it right and have a team that wins. I’ve got quite a good time left in me."
Just a load of after the fact bullshit. If he knew by January what the state of the club was and that he couldn't do the job why not walk then? No he held on to pick up as much in wages as he possibly could before trying to save face and fall on his sword. His words are ****e his timing of decisions is devious and his shifting of blame is cowardly.
Can't argue with some of the points he made, but the fact is that Big Sam was getting far better performances from most of the same players..
Aye, for a short period. We were mostly dreadfull and losing under Sam, like we were under every manager for god knows how long. Nature of the beast when the problem is far greater than who is in the dug out. Sooner or later that end of season form was going to disappear for a manager and we'd drop. I had us to drop before Sam left. That end of season form had seduced me for the last time when Sam kept us up. Cause I knew it would be same **** next season and that we couldn't toe the line forever. We were always going down whether it had been last season, this or next, it was happening, because I could see Short was setting about tackling the debt and had been since Dick was here. My gripe with Moyes is he made it embarrassing with a lot of his conduct, but then our fan base is equally as guilty for that. It was us hitting rock bottom in every sense as far as I'm concerned, very few people walk out of it with any credibility. In fact I'd say 1, that would be Bain.
Moyes just seemed out of his depth on this one. I do believe if Big Sam stayed we would have survived again. Maybe fourth bottom but like many times before we would have got there. When Short mentioned he put 300 million into the club it was though he never got any money back? Last year alone there was 100 million from tv rights. He was the man sailing this ship and the buck stops at the top. His exit strategy was to put the club into the Championship while taking full amount from season ticket holders. Hope he sleeps well on that one. Pleased with Grayson.....I think with this guy when we are fighting in the trenches he's not going to disappear. Give the lad time and Short goes then we will be on the right track again....
He even lied to Moyes with that figure too Yeah the debt was 170, Plus what he paid for the club and a lump some converted to equity comes to about 300m aye, but a massive chunk of the 170m debt was to banks we had overdrafts on and a bank loan we took at a very high interest rate. I'd guess the 300m he's put in is closer to 230m including buying the club.
Aye, how dare he not get a football club and a **** load of resources for free More to running a business than sinking money in. Maybe if he wasn't so trigger happy with his firings at every level of the club from managers to entire scouting infrastructures, from managing directors to DoF on a yearly bases. Maybe if he actually backed one of his choices investing a bulk load in one man and actually backing him instead of investing a massive amount in dribs and drabs to 6, yes 6 different managers in 6 years, than maybe his money would have gone further and he'd have more to show for it. Feeding money into a business means nowt if you're squandering every penny you put in.
