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Effect of Brexit

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  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    Is this a trick to get me divorced? She only agreed to the Madeira one last night after I plied her with a couple of glasses of wine!!
    I am thinking about booking a cruise, never tried it before but the Med cruises seem well priced and easy from Southampton.
     
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  2. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The real lesson the U.K. can learn from the Greek crisis is the need to make a sober assessment of where the negotiation is likely to end up and then prepare public opinion for the inevitable trade-offs and costs—before you get locked into positions from which there is no escape. The good news is that while the U.K. has so far not presented many credible proposals, nor has it ruled anything out and in some cases—notably in acknowledging the possibility of accepting continued indirect jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice—it has started to prepare the ground for possible future compromises.

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    I'm sure the UK negotiators were always going to compromise, the problems stem from the intransigence of the EU negotiating positions. So far it has just been a bully's charter. The lesson from the Greek crisis is that the EU stitched up that country and continues to inflict unnecessary hardship. To protect the fiddling eurocrats project the EU is prepared to cause untold damage regardless of the impact to individual member nations. The IMF has tried extensively to encourage the eurozone to apply debt relief so it can continue to service its debt payments.
     
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    I can only suggest that by taking the road that it has, it is the UK government that will cause untold damage to it's own people. The EU did not tell them they had to leave. Greek politicians told people they could have their cake and eat it. The whole article I quoted from shows the remarkable way that the UK has been following the same way of misleading the population and the way it came back to bite them. As pointed out also much is enshrined in law, so in some cases the UK is asking the others to rewrite those laws. Do you think that they should if you were in their position?
     
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    The EU allowed Greece to join the Euro group despite Greece not meeting the EU's own fiscal standards. It then showered the country with masses of cheap loans without any due diligence taking place, a bit like the sub prime mortgage fiasco. The long departed senior Greek officials were stuffing their own pockets, now the rest of the population is suffering serious hardship caused by EU intransigence.

    There is no sensible comparison with the UK leaving the EU through Brexit. I'm sure the present EU officials would like to see financial damage done to the UK as a warning to others. They do this at their own peril, it will create a backlash in the UK and damage large sections of European industry, bring it on.
     
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    Should the EU rewrite law to accommodate the UK that is trying to leave? That was the question I asked you, which you didn't address.
     
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    The EU should do everything to allow the UK to leave on amicable grounds whilst protecting trade in the Uk and the EU. If it means changing some laws to assist in this aim I cannot see why not. Unfortunately all the EU is looking to do at the moment is to put up barriers to a successful negotiations. They are desperate to make an example of a member state daring to exercise its democratic right. The Polish are the next ones in the firing line.
     
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    How long does it take to change laws when all of the 27 countries have to take these changes through their own Parliaments? The clock is ticking!
     
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    The overriding problem is the EU negotiators are only interested in seeing the UK suffer so they will delay, stall, and create problems for the sake of it. I fear it will not end well for all parties. Despite this I am pleased we are leaving this crooked organisation and look forward to a new chapter. I can't stand bullies.
     
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    From time to time we do get an insight into what is happening such as today when David Davis addressed the US Chamber of Commerce.

    The US is too isolationist and Trump needed to rethink his policies on global trade.
    He conceded that one of the UK government’s Brexit proposals, a so-called track-and-trace scheme using technology and trust to replace customs controls as part of a mooted new customs arrangement, may not happen. Asked by a FedEx executive to explain how the proposed regime would work in practice, Davis said it was less likely to be accepted than a more conventional system, adding that it was “blue-sky”.
    He did not expect any new agreements to come into force with the US during a transition period after the UK leaves the EU.
     
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    David Davis said the EU had presented the UK with 'a large bill' and the UK had 'very good lawyers' who would go through it 'line by line'

    Exactly what most UK citizens would expect, not to just agree to pay a made up figure designed to provoke a response.
     
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    Wouldn't want anything whatsoever to do with the current US government - a right bunch of science denying idiots.
     
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    But they'll be a different bunch next week - and the week after - and the week after that - and... :)
     
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    Problem is, they'll all think the same way! Which is to say not at all I guess!
     
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    Interesting that you expect the lawyers to examine the price for leaving line by line whilst David Davis expects the EU negotiators to show flexibility and reasonableness. Presumably your view too. Now I understand what is meant by having one's. cake and eating it.
     
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    Sounds like a plan - not sure what those pensioners who voted Remain will think though...

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    Welsh plonker. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    https://www.farminguk.com/News/Brit...report-states_47294.html#.WaqM6UBc6pt.twitter

    Well that's both the fishing and the farming industries now shafted by the Tories - a fine way to thank them for their votes up here in the last GE. With the recently formed Tory/Labour council alliances planning school closures, doing away with classroom assistants and cutting teacher numbers, I can only see one outcome - thankfully.
     
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