If you click through to the Poll you will see that is a gold standard poll as all onion polls need to be these days undertaken by opinium: I don't know if you read that above but: Opinium's most recent success came at the 2016 EU Referendum where they were the only agency to predict the eventual outcome.[3] So if they were right about the referendum I guess statistically they cant be far wrong with this poll: One In Four Brits Believe They Were Misled Over Brexit, Opinium Poll Reveals Of all voters, half say the Leave campaign was misleading.
There are many reasons for being in favour of remain which have nothing to do with economics brb. I could have been a Brexiter, under other circumstances, because I know that my dream of how Britain could be would not be possible within the context of the EU. But my dream is not going to happen - just the contrary - there is every chance that a Britain free of EU. environmental and health laws would lurch further to the right. My fear is for the loss of sovereignty which is almost certain to result - we would be trading in the pooled sovereignty (which saw us voting for 95% of EU. law) for a situation of having to chase after alternative business partners - individual free trade agreements with other non EU. nations, and every free trade agreement is associated with loss of sovereignty. You only have to look at the loss of sovereignty contained within documents such as the TTIP or CETA ones to see that this is true. I do not want my country moving closer to the USA - which would be an inevitable by product of Brexit. To be either an offshore tax haven or a dumping ground for American gene manipulated food or cheap Chinese steel, or that our government can be taken to court by multi national corporations. There is precious little sovereignty left in any of those cases. Worse still - a Britain which moves closer to the USA. will be more obliged to join in any future US. military actions. Don't forget Blair's involvement in the Iraq war would have been avoided if he had listened more closely to his EU. partners. I also feel sad for all those young Europeans who may be denied the right to work and study in another country - something which they have been able to enjoy for 20 odd years - and who truly feel 'European'. I also feel sad about the loss of Britain's image in the World - although many people voted for many reasons, it is well known that immigration was high on the list - so what happened to the liberal, welcoming Britain which I had always been proud of - how can I celebrate that we have become one of the most xenophobic countries in Europe ? How can I, or anyone else, respect a country which says to its neighbours - 'We want your trade, but we don't want you' - in short I feel ashamed for Brexit, but this has nothing to do with economics. It could be that Britain makes an economic success of the whole thing - but I would still condemn it.
£350m, £50m or 10p. Frankly I don't care, we've been lied to and no amount of spin is going to change that. and now we're saddled with a rudderless government with a bunch of religious nut jobs in charge of the kedge. (I'll leave the non-sailing types to look that up)
Apparently, work are going to post a fortnightly update on Brexit on the work intranet which has "relevant and credible stories from the media".
Someone pointed me to this headline from the Express comic. Britain considers giving EU 'oversight' of UK borders for market access after Brexit. BRITAIN'S Brexit negotiators have not ruled out giving the EU oversight of customs controls at UK borders in a bid to keep unfettered access to European markets post-Brexit. The reaction as you might guess was apoplectic.
With respect, I find your post rather odd. You state at the beginning of your comment 'There are many reasons for being in favour of remain which have nothing to do with economics brb.' - and yet virtually your whole post goes on to talk about trade! And don't even get me started about offshore, I certainly know enough to blow any debate about that out of the water well before Brexit but I'm not getting into that here. As for Blair, again this is not an EU argument from my perspective, you misunderstand, I have never blamed the EU for that, I merely state that Blair is a remain supporter. I never thought I could distrust anyone more than Thatcher, but Blair certainly changed that thought process. I'm actually amazed within Europe that Blair is still a free man. I'm even more amazed that a terrorist has not at least attempted to put a bullet to his head yet, I've never got how he is not a number one target, maybe the terrorists are so thick they don't understand how it all kicked off but prefer to run over innocent citizens instead, which has cowards written all over it. 'Xenophobic' seriously? Where are you living, I certainly cannot believe you are using that word for Britain, when was the last time you went to a major city such as London, that use of that word cannot be further from the truth. What papers are you reading are you even writing your own stuff or copying sections/aspects from the media? Of all the people I have debated with on here, I said before i noticed undertones from you, are you a leftie believing all the right wing ****e? Personally I never ever voted because of economics or migration, I'm sure that must be clear by now some months on, yet i read the same discussions over and over again, I voted for something deeper than that, to avoid a one state mentality, to protect the culture and national identity of EVERY country, that is more important to me than any means of wealth, and if it means i suffer hardship as a result, then hardship i'm prepared to accept, I was born with nothing, i'll go out of this world with nothing. If all that makes me a nut, at least it proves i ain't normal, I'm not a clone and proud to be an individual and stand up for what i believe in, no matter what ****e people throw at me and I certainly was not one of the so called 6 million that was suckered. The biggest failing of the remain is not understanding the true reasons that people such as myself give for voting, that's why I believe even if there was (and there will not be) a second referendum, we would gain even more votes and if we didn't, I'd just talk it to death until I get the vote I want (sarcasm intended).
I will spell this out again, I said that I believed that Britain, after Brexit, would have less sovereignty than before. Because they would be forced to move closer to other nations as a compensation - particularly the USA. Closer cooperation with the USA. almost necessarily involves military support as well. We will never agree on this brb. but for me Americanization is more of a threat to the English way of life than the EU. is, or immigration. I used the word xenophobic - which may seem strong but.....the incidence of attacks on immigrants in the UK. have increased fairly rapidly since the referendum, and this is well known abroad - as is the fact that such a large percentage of people voted on the theme of immigration, although the actual figures for EU. migration are not particularly high. There is one good aspect of Brexit (and one only) namely that many English people will one day run out of scapegoats ie. people to blame - I have seen the Unions cast in this role, the Lefties, the Scots, the EU. - soon there will be none left.
Again you use unfounded attacks, it has now changed from the British to the English in your diary of remarks. Whereas I have not blamed any nationality for anything, yet here we are now descending to anti English remarks such as 'scapegoats.' Funny how the remain bring up migration time and time again as a retort. I actually wanted the Scots to have their Independence, but they voted against that, I respect that vote. And before you start the whole timing of an independent vote was wrong maybe they should have looked at the manifesto or did they think it was a done job to remain. The right wing have always been present in the UK as they have across Europe but sadly as a way of argument Brexiters get thrown in as means of justifying the remain cause. How do you or anyone else know how many anti migration voters were in the remain vote, after all some youngster's voted for their holiday passport but still had right wing views but do not understand anything to do with the political landscape of the world.
