Cameron was a mug, he should never have given us the vote, I never thought in my life time that i would get opportunity to stick one up the EU, but he did and it was like all my Christmas' come early. Then the coward did a runner on his own manifesto, personally as much has I could not stand the smug twat, i did think he was the best person to take us forward, much more so than May. However, he took the cowards way out, he spat his dummy out of his pram like a spoilt brat and left us to it with his nice payday. in hindsight i don't think any Prime Minster should be allowed to walk away that easy, if you take the position of office then you take the **** too and deal with it. If i could make the laws, I'd have him imprisoned for failure of duty to the nation but i'm nuts like that. But Cameron has insulted every single one of us and it demonstrates even further the little gravy train at the top.
Second eldest of my sister's is a GP, eldest a senior nurse specialising in oncology, father in law so high up at executive level (prior to retirement) that it would make your nose bleed. I have no truck with those who seek to profit from the NHS. Particularly tory politicians and any idiot that thinks it's a good idea to let the Americans anywhere near our medical infrastructure. Or our food standards, or anything else remotely scientific these days.
Sure you can find a better deal for your foreign exchange but that is peanuts as a macro level: I guess SH will want to rubbish IMF Cebr ONE etc?? Methinks our economy is on a knife edge and the Brexit team know it...... Rising inflation Falling pound Lowest growth rate in the G7 Half the growth rate of the Eurozone These are FACTS... not some upbeat robotic rhetoric Thank you our Tory Govt.. who are supposedly such better handlers of our economy than anyone else. The pound is now worth less than the Euro
Another anti-brexiteer who has only dared look at the UK/ EU financials in the last few months. The fact is the UK has outgrown the EU for many years and has often had the highest growth in the G7. Brexit was always going to create an uncertain period but the UK has many business advantages over most EU countries, this will become apparent again after Brexit. Your obvious lack of business experiences has allowed you to panic unnecessarily.
Most UK voters keep their allegiance to one political party throughout their lifetime. This is not because of the utterances of the chosen party's leader but it broadly represents their own individual views. It could be argued by constantly switching allegiance a voter has no conviction or is easily swayed by short term promises. I would have thought the choice in the UK is stark and simple at the moment as it is clearly only a two horse race. There is a wide ideological difference between the two.
The Germans are slowly but surely understanding that Brexit is the right choice as the EU is doomed to collapse. 'It's already failed' German economist predicts EU WILL collapse as nations follow UK out
Well most of the so-called captains of industry are also in that case 'panicking....'. These are facts SH not rhetoric.... The fact is our economy will be damaged probably for 10 years... and for ordinary people that is serious.
Thorsten Polleit is a rabid free marketeer - a follower of the Vienna School of Economics (Hayek and co.) whose ideas have been thoroughly discredited. He is not typical of German economic thinking.
It is very clear sh how as one newspaper after another reigns back from from supporting this governments approach to the EU talks, you have had to find your headlines from that comic of the press. I think it proves my point very well, that simply following a party line without thinking is childlike. When children grow up they are encouraged to think and find out about what things really mean. It seems that this inquiring mind passes some by.
I accept these are the facts at the moment. I wonder why you did not also panic about the EU when its growth was a fraction of the UK's and unemployment blighted the lives of millions of Europeans? There are some industrialists who wished that Brexit did not happen because of the uncertainty caused. Like the UK government they are looking for a pragmatic trade deal with the EU. The EU needs to understand harming its own industries is not good. There is however 80% of UK businesses that do not trade with the EU who could benefit once the shackles are thrown off. As for 10 years of damage, that is a wild negative guess from somebody without any trading experience and totally unqualified to make a rational judgement.
You have just insulted 75% of the UK electorate who stick to their chosen political party. I'm sure nobody agrees with everything their party proposes but the general ideological viewpoint keeps them loyal. The other 25% are don't know, don't care or are looking for unaffordable promises, as The Labour Party recently sunk to.
Slowly, slowly things are turning. The UK will pay money to the EU as part of the Brexit process, Boris Johnson has conceded, having previously said the EU could “go whistle” over a reported bill of between €60bn and €100bn. " I’m certainly saying that we have to meet our legal obligations as we understand them and that’s what you’d expect the British government to do.”
Research has found out that the last election saw more people than ever changing party. It will go down in history as the hold your nose and vote election.
I'm not sure why the remainers keep repeating and trying to highlight their view in the so called failings of voting brexit, to be honest it has become like an obsession and as i have repeated countless times serves no purpose without balance. NHS failing since 2010, agreed by other poster(s) - so it was already failing 6 years before Brexit, I would argue longer but will accept in balance of debate. Hospital admissions are constantly increasing, I suppose that is Brexit's fault too. Now the debate has turned to 10 years to recover. Well what's new? Even as a Brexiter I accepted that it would take around 5 years for the banks to stabilise the situation, it was an accepted point on my side that I have never denied as a leaver. We could stretch this further, what about Leaman brothers, it took around 8-9 years to recover from that fully $619 billion debt, but the industry recovered and new rules were put in place to prevent it ever happening again. That was in 2008 a whole 8 years before Brexit, so we was no safer then. Financial failings did not suddenly start from June 2016, that's like saying football started in 1992! I've heard debates how the EU has brought peace, and yet strangely Yugoslavia was wiped from history right under the EU noses. Yeah I know they weren't part of the EU, so that makes it alright. We even see Blair coming our in favour quite vocally for the remain campaign, the biggest living war monger in the UK. But let's keep twisting to suit your argument.
The UK general election was well debated with a good choice of non extreme political parties. Contrast that with the French election where senior candidates were involved with fraud, the extreme right gained nearly 40% of votes and the 'plastic' victor was only supported to keep out the far right. Needless to say his support has evaporated as he had no basis. By comparison it makes the UK government look much more stable and effective.
There is no twisting from my side at all. Ideologically I support a united Europe... and by staying in we had more influence etc. You and others, ideologically voted for another scenario.... We, the public, will pay a great price for a political decision. I don't agree with that decision and I am directly poorer as a result. I don't have a big stash of money to offset by investing overseas etc. I would have preferred to spend my money on health and social care and education. In 10 years time if i am still here i will be quite old and any benefits will come late in my life.
You state you are poorer as a result, yet I do not believe I am poorer as a result, certainly not yet anyway and you seem to be speaking in the present tense. We all prefer the money to be spent on health and social care but as I highlighted earlier that's been on the declined well before Brexit. All I ever hear from remainers is about wealth, so it comes across to me as based on material wealth. I didn't hear people shouting before Brexit I want to give more money to health and social care, I didn't hear people asking for tax increased to help out. Yeah the euro and dollar may affect my pocket on holiday but hey sure I can live with that especially as many cannot afford holidays. All I see from remainers is selfish greed and interest, oh poor me, but most have never even spoke to a homeless guy on the street, let alone dip their hand in their pocket. Remaining is about my nice house, my nice holiday, they are not the essentials of survival but the greed mentality and cultural destruction the EU have caused. You've only seen recently in Barcelona the Spanish locals want their city back from tourists, the same across Italy, maybe some people are happier and more content outside of the EU bubble have you thought about that or even considered why....probably not otherwise you would have said so by now. At least if things are going to as bad as you suggest, at least Spain and Italy will see a reduction in tourism and I can't see local Spaniards and Italians complaining about that. Maybe everyone will come and spend their money here Instead and boost our economy.
I think that's grossly unfair and completely incorrect tbh. For me it's the complete converse. We'll all be worse off post Brexit, for a few years at least, probably much longer imo, the Govt have already spelt it out, there's going to be a reduction in GDP growth and inflation is already starting to bite. Inflation in a stagnant wage economy reduces disposable income, and it'll be those who were already struggling to make ends meet who feel it the worst, and it's that fact that many find so wrong about this entire debacle, as many of that segment were suckered into voting for it, thinking that it'd somehow improve their lot. Those more fortunate will feel the effects far less, it'll be a minor irritation financially, they'll still be comfortable, but those at the lower end of the spectrum will bear the brunt. I find that extremely sad.
