There was no inaccuracy in debate - I simply pointed out that on a Watford FC. forum it is logical to believe that we are mostly British (by which I mean nothing cultural, but rather all having lived there) and therefore material on Britain would be more of a common denominator for us than if I, or anyone else, went waffling on about Germany the whole time. If you are (temporarily) too dense to understand that then it is your problem not mine.
Yet again you decide to insult me....'too dense' - now i'm sure people on here don't want me to kick off, so i'll keep my language in check for now and hopefully someone will reign yours in as mine would be if i responded the same. I never ever mentioned Germany personally, not once. But to point out what you exactly did say.... To be fair brb we are all British on here and so Britain is likely to be at the centre of our criticism That is borderline racism or racial stereo type at it's finest
We are not Man. Utd fans - we are a small town club with a local following. I would hazard a guess that you were not born in Liverpool and thought 'I'll be a Gillingham fan because I like the name'. I have already explained the use of the word 'child labour' and that it was probably misplaced. I can see that you are looking for a fight - so I will leave it there because I do not want to be drawn down to your level !
You are quite wrong to say that the NHS has been failing for decades. It was improving the health outcomes consistently for about 10-12 years up until 2010 (waiting times death rates et al). It was and is hopelessly blighted by PFI, but in health terms things were generally improving. Since 2010 specifically it has been on a disastrous journey, of which the money-rinsing intrusion of private firms is only one gruesome element. How do I know this. My son is GP in a deprived town and is a board member of his CCG. Sadly the reality he is living with day by day is the reality of which I speak. His health is now at risk. It is crystal clear that the NHS' dependence on EU staff - and the likelihood of losing them much much faster than they can be replaced is bringing on a crisis, whose only solution is to let more people die. The catastrophic reorganisation of Lansley (designed specifically to invite the private health bloodsuckers in) is probably the worst thing that has ever happened to the NHS, Hunt's incompetence merely continues the dysfunctionality. Only when the present government (assuming it last that long) realise the those who are dying in larger numbers are the elderly (and therefore more likely to vote Tory) will they do anything to correct it. Oh & BTW, if you want to see how successful the private system is, look at health outcomes in the US. Just take infant mortality figures. The government talks a great deal about more doctors, etc. It takes 10 years to train a GP. It takes 20 years to EXPAND the number of GP's as you have to train the trainers and teachers first. At present we are LOSING doctors through age, emigration and exhaustion, not gaining them. Every one we lose means less time and resource to train new ones. I realise this is all far far away from supporting WFC, although not unconnected to Brexit, and generally I don't feel disposed to comment too much outside the one thing we have in common. But the NHS matters too too much to let it lie.
British is not a racial concept it is a collective term for describing all of those who live in a country at any given time. I did also say 'temporarily' dense - which is the same as 'being dense' implying that it is not a permanent condition of yours - in other words it is criticizing a present condition, as opposed to the person.
You best have a word with the media... http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co....ns-come-from/story-30190102-detail/story.html
You assumed everyone was British, you more or less commented that everyone that supports your club is British. You proceeded to call me dense in whatever form just because i corrected you.
I think that some of us who have direct links with the NHS do have an insight that one does not always get from reading newspapers or wherever you get information from. There is a real crisis in the system, and I would be far happier if the government actually gave some attention to it.
As far as I know everyone on here has English as their native language apart from Akureyrar who does not post on the political threads - we have all known each other here over quite some time, and if there are people who have, or have had, Australian, American passports etc. they have also had British ones. There may be people lurking who do not contribute on these threads who I do not know about - but referring only to those on here it is safe to presume that we are all either British - or have been. Therefore material relating to Britain is likely to be of more general interest than anything referring to another specific country. You are not dense - but you are 'being dense' in refusing to understand that, and in generally nitpicking everything that I say in order to start a fight. I have better things to do and have to get up early so I am not giving you that satisfaction.
OFH are you suggesting I don't have direct links? I personally do not read newspapers and i certainly have no bias towards the current government or any political party come to that. I've already acknowledge very clearly there is a problem in the NHS, it's just our views may differ on the primary cause of it.
No I have made no comment to suggest that you do or don't. Two of us have admitted to having those links, and I would have thought that if you had a similar link you would have quoted from your experience.
Sorry you must have missed my media link! You appear to be very stereo typing of people was the basis of my argument and i stand by that accusation quite strongly. When someone does not agree with you, you then proceed to call them dense.
'dense' is like a compliment compared to some of the insults a few of these frustrated 'remainers' dish out.
You have already said that you do not open media links yourself, in another post so you can hardly blame me for not doing it. It is not a stereotype to assume a shared nationality amongst a group of online friends who share the same love of the same football club, particularly when it is a small one, and who share the same common language - therefore the assumption is there that 'British' material is going to be of more general interest than eg. German. Being British is also not a racial/cultural statement (or are you turning it into one ?) just a description of the passport we all hold. Would it be a stereotype to assume that we are mostly male and that there are a lot of us on here of the same generation ? We know each other well enough on here to know that that is the case. I am sorry but if you pursue this like a dog with a bone then you are being very dense indeed - but, as I have said, that is not your normal state.
That is your choice of course, but when you ask for figures one assumes you are looking for actual information. We might agree about the NHS if we went back far enough, I don't know, but two of us gave actual examples of how Brexit is having the wrong effect on staffing. This month if you look in the jobs available for nurses you will find there are 60,000 being advertised. I would be interested in reading what you would do to reset this shortage.
It's ok I'm used to far worse, i'm not exactly everyone's favourite on 606 in case you hadn't guessed Toby...another Watford supporter, often wishes me dead, oh truly he does but hey it's the internet. That's why it's probably not best for ppl to start an insult game with me,my nature is not a pleasant one if it descends to being called dense I'm not exactly Dave's favourite either, he's Watford aint he Anyway back on topic....
I prefer not to use the NHS as tool to suit either argument, obviously others can and will do, personally i think it just blankets the real issues. Even the other poster (who wrote a very good response), I'm sure mentioned the decline after 2010, well brexit did not follow until 6 years later, so i could suggest that supports my original view. I think i should make a few things clear though, I am not a Conservative supporter, I merely used them as a voting tool to get some form of Brexit through. I'm neither a Labour or UKIP supporter. UKIP served it's purpose and that job is now done. I do not read the media, yes media is virtually unavoidable these days but i do not purposely read a specific paper to gain or support my views. However, I am a nationalist and a strong anti EU supporter. I hasten to add anti EU, not anti Europe. I believe a lot of Brexit is being used to cloud real issues, the NHS being one. If we all go on the blame game we don't have to sort the problem. If I suggested that i supported your argument about nurses from the EU, then i would expect the government to support that being corrected. However, I do not want to see it used by any politician as a Brexit argument, as for particular politicians, I saw Hunt mentioned, i have no time for any of them. One i would like to personally shoot in the head is Blair but that's a separate matter.
I am similar that I do not support any party, and feel rather sad for those who can only repeat what a party leader has said. Undying support for a party shows a lack of an enquiring mind from my perspective. I believe however that because there never was a plan as to how we could leave the EU, the current government are trying to cloud the issues. There are many complicated matters, and we get far too much spin. I prefer to have facts and figures, but then I have always needed them to make rational decisions.
