Joking aside, this is disgraceful. http://www.marinerstrust.co.uk/mariners-trust-letter-to-stevenage-f-c/ Dear Sirs, We write to you on behalf of the Mariners Trust – the supporter’s group which represents over 3,000 Grimsby Town fans – following Saturday’s game against Stevenage FC. We believe there were a number of serious failings by the stewards inside the Lamex Stadium which we urge you to investigate to ensure that supporters from other clubs are not treated with the same contempt. It is our view that the treatment of Grimsby supporters by your stewards was amongst the worst our fans have experienced in decades of travelling across the world to watch football. Consequently copies of this letter will be sent to a number of local authorities and bodies, both football clubs and local and national press. We must start this letter by stating we appreciate the need to steward and police football matches in a safe manner and, with current world events, to ensure the safety of all of those at the ground. As supporters we fully understand the need to ensure the safety of all staff and supporters and do not object to a fair search upon entry. Several female supporters were asked to lift their tops up to show their bras to female stewards upon entry to The Lamex Stadium. This decision – in the queue in front of other supporters, including men and male stewards – is a gross invasion of privacy. Female supporters have also since contacted us to state they were asked by female stewards if they could feel their bras if they confirmed that they were underwired. The supporters were made to feel uncomfortable and when they replied they would ‘rather not’ they were ‘reluctantly’ let in to the ground. This act would effectively constitute a sexual assault and these types of searches are unlawful. If deemed necessary, although we cannot see how feeling an underwire in a bra could be deemed so unless acting on previous intelligence, then any fans in question should have been taken to a private area of the ground to be searched by a female steward rather than being searched in full view of male stewards, fans and Police. We are not aware at this stage that any previous intelligence contributed to these types of searches being implemented against female supporters. It must also be stressed that not all supporters were subject to the same search – some supporters were patted down, asked to empty pockets and subject to a metal detector wand. Others – including members of the Mariners Trust Board – were waved straight through without any searches at all. We have also been made aware of full body searches being carried out by stewards on children as young as five years old. Backpacks were searched and they were subject to the same metal detector search by male stewards as the adults. We have been made aware that at least one minor was visibly upset by being searched in this manner. A number of items not on your banned list were also seized by stewards upon entry to the ground. Again we understand the need to keep supporters safe, but amongst the items taken include a tiny bottle of hand sanitiser (which is allowed by law onto an aeroplane), contact lens solution, cough sweets and medication. This over-the-top approach unfortunately set the tone for the rest of the afternoon. Once the match kicked off there were further issues all caused by the stewarding in the away stand. A female steward was posted inside the male toilets near the away turnstiles (photograph attached). The steward was asked to leave by Grimsby Town supporters, but she refused despite the fact several male stewards and police officers were stood outside. We have been told by Grimsby Town fans that a number of minors used the facilities during this time which we believe raises significant safeguarding issues. We have further been made aware that one male minor was also visibly upset by the presence of a female steward within the male facilities. On top of this, there were no washing facilities in the men’s toilets raising hygiene issues, no soap, drying facilities or hand sanitisers. Indeed one supporter had hand sanitiser removed from their bag during the entry search! We have copied in the licensing authorities at Stevenage Borough Council to make them aware of the significant basic hygiene issues. We note the Football Stadia Advisory Council advises that grounds should have ‘hand wash basins with running water, warm air hand dryers and or paper towel dispensers and waste bins in each toilet area.’ Significant issues occurred throughout the game due to the antagonistic attitude of the stewards at the front of the away stand. Shortly after kick off a number of stewards – wearing both orange and yellow vests – lined up in front of the away supporters sat on the front and second rows, blocking their view of the match. When supporters questioned the decision to block their view the stewards rudely told them they could move if they couldn’t see. This is contrary to the terms and conditions of sale which very clearly state supporters must sit in the seat named on their ticket. We would suggest it also caused significant obstruction to the view of those sat at the front. They were sold – in good faith – seats with unobstructed views and paid £21 each for the privilege. The seats were subsequently mis-sold and we have sent a copy of this letter to Trading Standards at Stevenage Borough Council for them to investigate. We would ask that Stevenage FC consider refunding all those supporters who purchased tickets on the front row as a gesture of goodwill for the unnecessary obstructed views caused by your stewards. Please find attached a photograph of the view which a young Grimsby Town supporter had when several of your stewards stood in front of him for the vast majority of the match. When supporters – including a Mariners Trust board member – asked for the names of the stewards and their superiors they declined to provide them. They also tried to stop supporters taking their photographs to aid in their identification of the stewards in question to enable them to make a complaint, the female steward said supporters didn’t have the right to receive her name or take her photograph! Please find attached photographs of some of the stewards who behaved in a disgraceful manner and who abused their position. It would seem – at the very least – they lacked basic training to be put in the position they faced. The female steward pictured was particularly antagonistic, making a ‘fisticuffs’ gesture to a colleague, suggesting she was actively looking for the opportunity for issues to present themselves. She also mock cheered when Grimsby scored and then made a ‘stirring’ gesture to another colleague immediately after. Her actions – had they been seen by other supporters – could have caused a serious flashpoint. They were naive and inappropriate. We must note that despite a police presence – and the police being called by stewards – we have not been made aware of any issues or arrests and police officers told supporters on the way out they had generally been well behaved. Due to the issues faced, we would like answers to the following questions please: Was there intelligence to suggest this was a high risk fixture? What was the the risk assessment for this fixture? What is the searching policy at the ground under the terms of the safety certificate? ie what should be seized? What is the safeguarding policy bearing in mind minor persons were the subject of the search process? Is there any guidance/training in relation to the breach of human rights? As outlined above we believe there were a number of serious failings by your football club which need to be addressed as a matter of urgency, not just for any future visits by Grimsby Town fans, but also to ensure no other visiting team’s supporters are treated as animals in the way your club did on Saturday. Please note a copy of this letter will be posted on our website and social media channels and has also been sent to: John Fenty (Grimsby Town FC), Nick Dale (Grimsby Town FC), Phil Wallace (Stevenage FC), Hertfordshire Police, Humberside Police, Stevenage Borough Council (various departments including Safety Advisory Group), The FA, The FSF, Supporters Direct, Grimsby Telegraph, BBC Radio Humberside, The Stevenage Comet, Talksport and other media outlets. We look forward to you treating our complaints with the seriousness they deserve and to receiving a reply in a timely fashion. Yours faithfully, Jon Wood (Chairman of the Mariners Trust) Alan Rutter (Former Football Intelligence Officer and England Spotter with over 10 years experience)
Bloody hell thats bad. I mean I've worked in Grimsby there is no way I'd want to be lifting some of their tops. Uurrrggghhh
Made it to the BBC - currently 9th most read http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-40992174 Female football fans were asked to show their bras to stewards during security searches, a supporters' group has said. Grimsby Town fan group the Mariners Trust made the allegation in a letter to Stevenage FC after the two sides met on Saturday. It said some fans wearing underwired bras were also asked by stewards at the Lamex Stadium if they could feel them. Stevenage FC said it was "investigating the matter" before making any further comment. More on this and other Grimsby stories The club would not comment when asked by the BBC whether the searches were standard procedure or due to an increased security risk for that match. 'Worst treatment' The checks, carried out by female stewards, but which the supporters' trust said were "in full view of male stewards, fans and police", have been described as "a gross invasion of privacy". The letter from the supporters' group alleges stewards asked some female fans "if they could feel their bras" if they told them their bras were underwired. The group says children as young as five were subjected to full body searches and supporters had items that were not listed as being banned confiscated, such as "contact lens solution, cough sweets and medication". please log in to view this image Image copyrightPA The letter also said a female steward was posted inside a male toilet, adding: "The steward was asked to leave by Grimsby Town supporters, but she refused despite the fact several male stewards and police officers were stood outside." Paul Savage, board member of the Mariners Trust, told the BBC he had been among 800 supporters queuing to enter the ground. He said the woman who were asked by stewards to show their bras ranged in age between "mid-30s to 70-year-olds". He added the women declined the request. "They were all shocked and because of the nature of the request, they were stunned and until they got into the ground, they didn't know what to do and say, "he said. "It was only later on when we got word about what had happened that we tried to take it further." Stevenage 3-1 Grimsby Town The Mariners Trust described the treatment of supporters as "amongst the worst our fans have experienced in decades of travelling across the world to watch football." The letter concludes by calling on Stevenage FC to address the "serious failings" as a "matter of urgency... to ensure no other visiting team's supporters are treated as animals in the way your club did on Saturday". The English Football League said it was investigating the allegations. Hertfordshire Police said it had not been contacted by supporters, but any complaints would be would "fully investigated". The force said its officers were at the ground "due to intelligence regarding a previous game between Chesterfield and Grimsby Town, where there was public disorder and members of the public were injured". It added none of its officers were involved in any of the searches "which were carried out by stewards".
Yet those fans probably find it acceptable to sing get your tits out to anyone mildly attractive. Double standards I'd say.
Kinnel, they've just made it worse... In relation to the Mariners Trust letter and complaints over stewarding at the Stevenage v Grimsby game on Saturday 19th August 2017. The following press release has been issued by the Safety Officer of Stevenage FC. --- The stewarding plan for Saturday’s match was not typical of those usually delivered at Stevenage Football Club. All stewarding plans are bespoke for each match and are based on a combination of past experience, supporter behaviour and police intelligence. The risk assessment going into Saturday’s game indicated high risk groups attending and the potential for anti-social and un-cooperative behaviour. After liaising with Grimsby Town’s safety officer, the police and others, it was indicated that prohibited items were likely to try to be brought into the grounds and could be passed onto those deemed less likely to be searched, such as women and younger supporters. This resulted in a joint club and police decision to implement a full, 100% compliant, searching regime as part of the condition of entry. Grimsby Town’s Supporter Liason Officer was made fully aware of the nature of the search regime prior to the game, to ensure all attending were aware and could allow sufficient time to access the stadium. Stewards used for this role in the away section of the stadium were provided by a reputable agency and are qualified to act as such. Searches conducted are recorded on CCTV and on this occasion, were in the presence of deployed police officers. No incidents were recorded on the day of any inappropriate behaviour towards female supporters or young spectators. Had such incidents been either reported or flagged up, the issues would have been dealt with immediately. The club takes these allegations seriously and will both study the CCTV footage and speak to the relevant parties to ensure that no infringements of accepted procedures took place. Stevenage FC is a family orientated club that has an excellent track-record in being so. A key part of that is the friendly, helpful and positive nature of our stewarding and those who deliver it.
...oh that's all right then ! Look forward to seeing full body searches at concerts and entry into various public places too then...because you wouldn't expect to end up with football fans being treated worse than anyone else ... would you?!
'Grimsby Town’s Supporter Liason Officer was made fully aware of the nature of the search regime prior to the game, to ensure all attending were aware and could allow sufficient time to access the stadium.' In response to the statement above, the Grimsby SLO has released the email he received from Stevenage and it doesn't mention having to flash your tits at the stewards... please log in to view this image
Football fans are the only minority where tarring everyone with the same brush is acceptable. Next time a few want to turn up in burqas and see what happens.
'Full search regime' is a bit of a nebulous concept. They've obviously gone full Stasi on it rather than taking the democratic liberal approach.
