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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. superhorns

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    Surely you can do better than this? Another nasty jibe... answer the question.... what on earth d you..... supposedly a successful businessman get out of such robotic and stereotypical sound bite postings?? Why on earth do you resort to cheap jibes?? Again look back at your last postings....
     
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    Until you start to understand the basics you will continue to make little sense I'm afraid.
     
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    It was 1992 and I remember Neil Kinnock and Roy Hattersley marching down a huge gathering of the party faithful in Sheffield to huge applause as the polls said that they were about to win the election. Of course they didn't, the public choosing the stable option of John Major. It was a huge mistake on their part, and within weeks Kinnock had gone as leader of the Labour party.
    There has to be a comparison with the ill judged and poorly conducted election of 2017 when the current PM thought she was so popular that she could increase her party majority. Rarely can there have been such a huge misjudgment of the public mood. She attempted to make it a one issue election, but eventually had to talk about, when persuaded to open her mouth about other things than Brexit. What some had been forecasting as a huge Tory majority, faded into a total loss of majority and a grubby deal to keep her in power.
    Kinnock had the grace to resign, but the current PM said she was going to get down to business, then disappeared for a month. The Tories are well known to get rid of failures, and it is now a question of how long she will cling to office. There is a large majority of the population who see that leaving the single market is the wrong choice, something that I really don't know if she agrees with or not. You cannot say that you want to leave it but replace it with something that is the same. Maybe she will go, but we wait to see if she resigns or is pushed.
     
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    Oh dear, that has really set the cat amidst the pigeons. The regular Brexit supporters who comment on that rag are frothing at the mouth with this one. Still if you follow what is being said closely you can see how the government is taking steps back, and preparing them for the worst.
     
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    You can forget the about staying in the single market, it is not possible when we leave the EU. The electorate voted to leave the EU on grounds of controlling borders, sovereignty and wanting to trade with who we choose. The 'leave' camp, 'project fear' camp and the EU officials all said staying in the single market was not an option if we leave. At least May understands this.
     
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    Did I ?
     
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    It is a damning inditement on the electorate if that is the case. The problem is that many people in Britain believe the numbers of EU. immigrants to be much larger than it actually is (particularly those from Eastern Europe) - research has suggested that a significant number of Brexit voters believed the number of Rumanians in the UK. to be 10 times higher than it actually is. There are other EU. nations with much higher figures for EU. immigration - and EU. immigrants are much less likely to claim benefits than those from non EU. countries. The fact is that for every one EU. immigrant there are nearly 20 tourists from the EU. People who come, spend their money, and then go - many towns in the south depend on this. But can the man on the Clapham omnibus tell the difference ? Britain's lack of a registration system allows bogus claims on numbers to go unchallenged.
     
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    I've had this discussion many times over immigration, the migrants do not come here to claim benefits despite the myths, the reasons they cross borders to get here is we have one of if not the quickest immigration process in the world (2 weeks is it?), although that may be asylum seekers, which then in turn gives them automatic right to bring their families over.
     
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    The fast process for asylum seekers has nothing to do with EU. immigration. The success of the Brexit campaign was that they tried to link these 2 together in the public imagination - and it worked. Another big reason why many immigrants gravitate to the UK. is language - English is the most spoken second language in the World, and people go where they think they can be understood.
     
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    Didn't think it was that quick - after coming here twelve years ago from Australia, it took me three years (and £850) to get my step-daughter the right to stay indefinitely. And written in larger & bold font at the end of the confirmation letter were the words 'No Access To The Public Purse'.
     
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    ok - nor did i say it was linked, I was purely dispelling myths.
     
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    Yeah it's 2 weeks to my understanding. I'm guessing i could prove it but too lazy to google search. Obviously can't say about all the other red tape involved re families, just know they can bring them once they have right of stay.
     
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    As someone with an interest in such matters, it takes approximately two years to get French nationality. As some are finding with the surge in applications it could soon increase. It took me three years to get fully into the health system, not because of any problem, just that the wheels seem to turn slowly for a purpose.
     
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    Britain is to keep all of Europe’s business standards after Brexit by applying to remain a full member of Europe’s three business standards agencies after March 2019, the head of the UK’s official standards agency has told The Telegraph.

    Howard Kerr, the chief executive of the BSI which bestows the ‘Kitemark’ symbol, said the move will commit the UK to maintaining some 20,000 industrial and technical standards in order to facilitate “frictionless” trade after Brexit.

    “The preference in industry and government is for the UK to continue to trade using single standards across Europe and for the UK being a full member of the three [European standards] agencies,” he said in an interview.

    Seems very sensible, until you think about the EU changing some standards. The UK will still be accepting regulations, but without a say. Should there be a dispute then of course it will be the ECJ that will be asked to make a ruling.
     
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