Oh so an upper chamber of the British Govt says we don't have to pay... so that is OK is it.. even if the EC and its legal institutions say otherwise? I wonder what a truly neutral judicial body would say ?? Oh hang on.... I think our Govt knows..... doesn't it that is why they are offering 'quite a large sum' . Have they got it wrong then?? Perhaps you should ring em up SH and let them know and they can save some money??
You obviously lack negotiating experience. It is not the initial bargaining position that is important, it is the ability to reach a sensible compromise. Several EU politicians have already express their concerns that the EU are more interested in making an example of the UK rather than seek a mutually beneficial deal. We will see.
I don't think that anyone is lacking experience on here SH. Any fool can see that X will ask for an archer for his horse (knowing that he will go down to a string of ponies) - and Y will say that he has seen someone down the road offering the same thing for 'alf a monkey and it goes on from there. The question is - is this type of haggling appropriate for the current situation ? Both sides need clarity - the EU. has not quoted any sums as yet - just the concept of a down payment and a detailed plan as to how future sums will be calculated.
The EU has regularly floated ransom sums between 50 - 100 billion. The worry, as expressed by several EU politicians and industrialists, is on the EU's attitude. Do they seriously want a mutually beneficial deal or do they want to try to make an example of the UK?
Let's make it the focus of the next discussion, the demise of the lesser spotted bearded sandal wearers.
Biff bash, take that Johnny foreigner! David Davis has confirmed no ransom paid until progress on trade talks. Britain threatens to impose VAT and customs duties on EU imports if there is no Brexit deal
This is stating the obvious SH. Just as obvious as that British exports to the EU. will be under the same conditions, and that there will be mile long queues at channel ports in the future. It also says nothing whatsoever about the EU. exit bill.
You just seek to denigrate people who are different to you or have different views at every turn.... you clearly would make a lousy negotiator IMO.... countrary to the snide comment ( yet again) you made to French above.....
If this was not so serious it would entering the world of farce. People who only read headlines and avoid details are living in a world of make believe. This is the condition that will exist if their is no agreement, and when the transitional agreement comes to an end, if one is allowed, the whole issue will come back yet again. Of course this is only dealing with material goods crossing boarders, it doesn't touch on banking services etc where the UK earns so much of its income.
There is a serious debate in there somewhere. After her stunning by-election result in Richmond Park the victor, Sarah Only promised to 'send a shockwave through this Conservative government'. The only shock was for her to lose her seat several months later. This result was to be the catalysis for an anti Brexit fightback leading the Lib Dems to make an anti-Brexit stance their main election theme. It failed miserably, resulting in a smaller vote share. What did happen to the likely Liberal lads (and lassies)? Did they misread the mood of the country where an increasing number of 'remainers' just wanted to get on with Brexit, or was it the fault of the leader, Tim Farron?
Many City banking and financial services leaders have repeatedly brushed off the effects of Brexit. The EU is desperate for access to the expertise in the City, there will undoubtedly be a deal to cover trade. Much of the city trade has nothing to do with the EU, similarly 80% of UK businesses do not trade with the EU.
The EU will get the expertise as the banks move their managers to Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt and Amsterdam. Dublin have announced 10 banks are moving some staff and opening offices there with more still discussing accommodation, schools and housing. No wonder that Wetherspoons have seen the mood and are investing in the city with a record amount of investment. "there will undoubtedly be a deal to cover trade" Now you can tell us on what you base that statement. Where have you seen that ?
There will be deal because the EU desperately need access. Wetherspoons are probably banking on Ireland doing the obvious and following the UK out of the EU. The UK is far and away Ireland's biggest trading partner and is virtually entirely dependent upon its larger neighbour for energy, importing 90% of its oil and more than 90% of its gas.The Irish will also not stand for any more interference from the EU on their tax rates.
There might be a deal if the UK agrees to pay up and settle what they owe. I would suggest that things have moved on since January, and in any case if you read it properly what he actually said was " EU would need special vigilance on financial stability risk, not special deal to access the City ". Ireland has repeated time and time again it is not leaving the EU, so why you keep hoping that they will is beyond comprehension. Wetherspoons have said they want to be in Dublin because they can see it growing, people needing hotel rooms, meals etc. and they would prefer to be where things are improving, not going backwards.
