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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    Mind you the way things are going will anyone take any notice of the boy?
     
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  2. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I watched Tim Martin the owner of the Wetherspoon chain of pubs telling a Commons committee that he wanted to see cheap labour from the EU stopped, although he would want an exception for his pubs to flourish. Having produced beer mats telling people that there was nothing good about the EU, it comes as a surprise to say the least to see that he is about to make his largest ever investment anywhere in Dublin. He feels sure that the hotel and pub he is proposing will act as "a catalyst to attract other businesses into the city".

    I think he knows that a lot of business will transfer out of the UK to Ireland and as many companies are doing he is preparing for it.
     
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  3. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    A very clever businessman which is why he is backing Brexit. He says 'Brexit naysayers should put a sock in it"

    He is quite happy to stock wine from only non EU countries if the EU get too spiteful.
     
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  4. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Looks tonight as if the penny is finally dropping with the Government. Having said at the weekend we will leave the customs union in 2019, tonight it is creeping out that actually we want to stay in, just call it something different, and tell people it will be for a limited amount of time. To watch Redwood wriggling and squirming on Newsnight was almost as funny as his efforts to sing the Welsh anthem. No wonder the PM is keeping out of the way.
     
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    They certainly have got themselves into a pickle. Ruth Davidson in particular must now be regretting having opened her gob and so publicly mouthing that 'her' 13 MPs would be in Westminster to look after the interests of Scotland. She now has the choice - stay true to her promise to look after those interests and bring the Tories down by voting against this in parliament, or vote for it and face a wipeout for her party in Scotland. Mind you, that's already on the cards after Gove's promise to Denmark's fishing industry and Fox's chlorinated chicken fiasco.

    Another step closer to Scottish Independence and the break up of the UK methinks.
     
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  6. oldfrenchhorn

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    Just what does the UK government actually want seems to be a question still doing the rounds today? Avoiding Chaos are the two words in all the press no matter what stance they have taken up until now. So it seems to be finally agreed that leaving the customs union without a deal will create chaos. The government seem to want to create a new form of customs union just for them, one that enables them to pick and choose what bits they want and those that they don't. Having argued successfully every time for EU budget reductions, they now wish the EU to spend more to set up an arrangement that only benefits one country, them. Sorry, but the EU have a customs union already that works for the existing members, so the UK can choose if they wish to stay or go forward into chaos. The false idea that the UK is in a strong position over fundamental matters such as these is slowly getting through. The EU knows how it functions, what the rules are, and what it can offer the UK, while the UK government continues to try and work out how it can make itself look credible. Staying in a customs union is not something that the government can demand, it is in the hands of the EU, and they can only try to help the country out of the mess it has got itself into by finding the least damaging way forward for all.
     
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  7. superhorns

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    The UK government made it quite clear at the weekend that the UK was leaving the single market and the customs union in 2019. It is now asking for a temporary customs agreement for up to two years to protect trade for both, UK and the EU. This strikes me as a sensible move. David Davis has stated the EU bribe is causing some disagreement but an agreement can be reached.

    If common sense can be achieved from the EU side an agreement could quickly happen without unnecessary drama. The precarious state of the EU will probably however lead to it damaging itself for political dogma reasons.
     
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    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I find this quite delusional. Your hero Farage has said today that all the UK government is trying to do is kick the whole issue into the long grass. As usual I doubt that he is right, but I can see where he is coming from. One of the proposal regarding customs controls could take ten years to bring into operation. If that is the case, yes it is a long grass situation.
     
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    mmm..... Superhorns????
     
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    Until the last two quarters you had a severe aversion to looking at growth charts as the UK has consistently out grown the EU. Make the most of this blip due to the uncertainty while you can.

    I don't think you have been paying attention. Everybody, UK government, EU officials, Cameron, May etc etc has said 'we are leaving the single market'
    Which bit can't you understand?
     
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    Not sure if you had noticed but Farage belongs to different party to the ruling UK government. It is quite normal for political opponents to criticise the government's policies. He unsurprising wants the UK to take a firm line, something he has been saying for 25 years.
    I would be surprised if he did not have these views.
     
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    <laugh>

    What i cant understand is you rave on like a mindless robot without one unplastic unstereotypical unparty line thought of your own .

    And i cant understand too why you are so rude, arrogant and supercilious in your postings. I can understand why you liked Thatcher
     
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    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The ruling UK government in case it passed you by is actually made up by a party that lost it's majority at the last election, and is now propped up by a small group of MPs from Northern Ireland.

    So far I have not seen a single person say that the proposals made by the government are anything other than fantasy land wishful thinking. If Farage doesn't believe in them either, then we can safely assume that they are dead in the water before they even sit down again at the end of the month. Maybe you can tell us how they are the way forward for the country as no one else has managed it so far.
     
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    I don't think she liked wishy washy 'make it up as you go along' Liberals, a bit like the present UK electorate.
     
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    Thankfully you are nowhere near our negotiating team with such a defeatist attitude. I would expect any negotiations, on both sides, to begin by asking for the unattainable. The EU teams knows it will not achieve the ridicules ransom sum they have floated. David Davis knows he will not achieve everything he is currently demanding. They will have to compromise or we leave without deal, quite simple really.
     
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    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Have you actually read the paper they produced?
     
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  17. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    Did you read the House of Lords report stating the UK has no legal obligation to pay anything? Let them do their best, or worse.
     
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    If Britain did that then its international credit rating would drop lower than Greece.
     
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  19. yorkshirehornet

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    No she was often accused of having no humanity.

    (oh and now you are slagging off most of the people of the UK???)
     
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  20. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    No, the money market would decide that was a reasonable and sensible course of action. For this to happen it would take a considerable amount of intransigence from the EU negotiators, for all to see.

    For those that do not understand Davis's sensible suggestion of temporary membership of the customs union.

    <img class="lazy-fallback" src="http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/183x122/841438_1.jpg" alt="brexit economist Gerard Lyons David Davis customs union trade plan bridge video" title="brexit economist Gerard Lyons David Davis customs union trade plan bridge video"> 'It's TEMPORARY' Economist hails Davis' 'sensible' trade plan for 'bridge' to Brexit 'It's TEMPORARY' Economist hails Davis' 'sensible' trade plan for 'bridge' to Brexit A LEADING economist and staunch Brexiteer has welcomed David Davis’ move to try and str...
     
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