If you can have a phone in program on the radio why didn't the viking reporter just call the office and they could have broadcast it that way?
Has anyone asked if the Villa radio station covering the game had a feed, and if so how, and why didn't Viking take that instead? Or am I being too simplistic. The Allams are still ****s of the highest order mind you.
This is not the fault of the Allams, Viking are to blame who have passed the blame onto Villa. A good qustion is why have city dropped Humberside and gone with Viking? Was it for financial reasons or the benefit of the stay at home fans?
The club cannot be seen as completely blameless for this incident. Whenever a new system is rolled out, and there are a number of linked services involved in this shift to a new web-site/new broadcaster, they should have had a back-up plan in case of problems occurring with the "in-production" release. An obvious "transitional back-up" existed - to run the TigersPlayer/Viking live commentary in-parallel with the new Tiger TV set-up until such time as the new system proved to be stable. It is unforgiveable for customers to not receive a promised service, particularly if they have paid for it in advance. This was an example of poor quality control and lack of acceptable customer satisfaction. Shoddy forward thinking - something we have come to accept all too often I'm afraid. The buck should stop at the top.
No, that has been done. I remember reading on some other clubs forums about if their feed wasn't working they heard the opposition's station.
Eventually, I have been told that this whole process eas trialled at the end of last season; something I thought you (as a user) was aware of. Perhaps that satisfies the forward thinking element (the only one it seems) of your blame game. Once trialled and awarded, do you really think the owners should adopt a back-up option. Sorry tigerscanada, but thats a totally nonsense approach to these things.
Can't wait to see your evidence it was Viking who ****ed up. Chuck it our way with the Barmby side of things. #stillwaiting I'd just like to point out too that the main people affected by this were fans. Good to see who really gives a **** about that. Burns is being as classless as you'd expect too. No commentary is still better than the inane ****e he dished up with Swan.
As a subscribing user of TigersPlayer for a number of years, I was aware that the RH crew were replaced by new commentators sometime during last season - subsequently was informed that it was Viking who replaced them. So far so good. Note - that was tested live using the TigersPlayer set up. It was bedded down. About 3 or 4 weeks prior to the start of this season that relationship (TigersPlayer/Viking) was "unplugged". Mid-week last week, the replacement site, including Tigers TV, hooked in the subscription payment links into the system. That worked. I signed up for the live commentary service. I talked to a senior staff member at Viking (by phone) to see if the live broadcast would be available through the Tigers TV site for the Villa game. He said probably, but was guaranteeing nothing. Lo and behold, it didn't happen. You are telling me that you've been told that the "system" had been thoroughly tested (trialled) in all functional elements ? Perhaps BBC Radio Humberside sent a mole to Villa on Saturday to cut the ISDN link in spiteful indignation ! Edit: You are familiar with the concept of beta-sites presumably ?
Obviously it's those of us who are highlighting the stupidity of giving the radio rights to someone without the facilities to deal with all eventualities and not giving the online streaming rights to anyone at all. Hope this helps.
whatever anyones view is, the fact that the club ditched radio humberside for viking, and the first game of the season has no commentary, is just laughable you couldn't make it up
No, I haven't told you that and I am not telling you that. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth? But, perhaps you have insider information that will enlighten me? The detail that Viking trialled delivering commentary has been mentioned on here a number of times and I 'm surprised you haven't noticed it, as you have been a key driver of this thread. What the qualiy of that delivery was is up for debate, but some certaunly thought it an improvement over RH. They didn't discuss the technicak virtues; why would they? Familiar with beta sites? I have a nodding acquaintance with beta product; is that significant?
Just a few points... Happy, I sort of agree to some extent with where you are coming from, however if Ehab punched someone, I am certain you'd claim they fell onto his fist. The reality is - before I add anything else - is that of course the Allam's (whose actions with our club I totally depise) cannot be blamed for a technical issue. What they can be blamed for, is moving away from a tried and tested broadcaster for another that doesn't have a lot of experience in covering events like this, or rather to the extent they needed to prepare and set up. Also, not announcing anything on Viking 2 about what was going on was very poor practice, the Beeb would have apologised to the point of ad nauseam. Viking will learn from this for sure no doubt about that. As a side note, I quite enjoyed Talksport's coverage instead. If anyone cares to check out Mike White's twitter, you'll note that he, as a BBC employee (along with I assume BBC WM staff) did everything they could to help Grahame Lloyd from Viking FM, and he also defends and sympathises with him, noting there was nothing more that Lloyd could do with the situation he was in. They have all been there as have I in broadcasting - it is a really frustrating, stressful and a ****ty feeling. Given the situation itself, I am slightly confused about their preparedness. I founded a Community Radio Station (now its 22nd year and 10th year of full time broadcasting under an Ofcom licence) and whenever we cover live events including the Lincolnshire Show, the RAF Waddington stuff etc, the team always test in advance and indeed use ISDN but they always have a back up (a small radio transmitter system that can be fed off site back into another ISDN line elsewhere) or a mobile phone (with additional software/apps). In the end, as Charlie Partridge (managing editor of BBC Lincolnshire) noted, they could have used a mobile phone to get by. Indeed, Radio Humberside have done this in the past when things have gone belly up - as they have from time to time. I have a lot of sympathy for Viking FM here - even though I am not happy they got the contract. However, and this is a big however, I am absolutely amazed given that this was, as the first day a great opportunity to set the bar high, build a new audience and kick in all guns blazing that they did not consider any possible problems to spoil the day. For sure, once things have settled down and they have a few weeks under their belts, if this occurred and they used a mobile to get by, no one would really bother too much. If nothing else, knowing how unforgiving and stupid Ehab is, in certain respects they have blown some credibility when the original problem - as a BBC employee has repeated on twitter was not of Viking's making. Just my opinion, but I'm not sure Ehab will not see it like that. I must admit though that I am absolutely baffled that there was not a spare line or feed at Villa. Most grounds have more capacity than they actually need. One or two rumours abound that the BBC might have spiked this and Burnsy/Hogarth have been less than professional by displays of schadenfreude. FFS, the relationship between the employees of both national and local broadcasters is as you might expect competitive: of course it is. There is banter between them all the time and whenever stuff goes wrong - it is not dissimilar to that of rival teams or supporters. These folks know each other well and many are friends outside of work. If the boot was on the other foot, the crew at Viking would have had a good laugh at the Beeb's expense too, don't make any mistake about that. The reality is, and I have done as much for a rival when working for the BBC, you help each other out rather than let the listener down. In addition, Viking are a Bauer Group station, and Brum is surrounded by Global Radio stations - and they are fierce rivals, but regardless they too would have helped if present. There but for the grace of God and all that...
