Mabon, that is just football talk, sorry why would he come for championship players enmasse ? Really I don't believe all these kind of things, you show me proof of this and I'll take it from there. He is not a bad person he is just a football manager doing his job, just like Brendan or anyone else, don't you think that Watford wanted to keep hold of brendan or graham or malky ? Do you think that boro wanted to keep lita ? There is always another side of the story, we think Brendan is a great manager and he is our hero, some Watford fans think he is dirty stinking bok of a man who came back taking a player who they wanted desperately to keep, does that sound familiar ?
Phil you look at managers who move between clubs, they take the backroom staff with them, you look at managers who get sacked and most of the backroom staff go as well, I am not defending Martinez as such, just pointing out that it happens all the time at clubs. And you have never had a chance to put promises across to thousands of people, so your comparison is equally not valid! He made comments that he believed at that time! And I don't think he has anything to apologise for, he took one player as in Scotland we got £2m , we also got about that for him, tell me what should he apologise for ? Being a football manager ?
Jager its all done behind closed doors for obvious reasons, i wish i could prove it but what i will say is that the info has come from people close to those players, a lot of people think that rangel had a paddy because the swans refused him permission to talk to fulham, but the truth is that fulham only made a tentative enquiry about him but no offer made and they made that enquiry 1 hour before the deadline, what rangel was really pissed about was that swansea told wigan to do one 2 days before the deadline when they came sniffing around, but what the swans were not aware of was that bobby had been speaking to rangel before that as far back as nov 2009, without permission but again bobby did not talk money with rangel, just that he wanted to sign him and when that did not materilise and then fulham came calling and that did not happen rangel then lost it and blamed the swans, when in fact they had not received any offer from anyone
I take Dragons point about him not apologising - most of us believed that he was sincere saying he would never walk out out on us and when it happened we hoped he would at least offer us some explanation - infact he just avoided it. it was the classic scenario of being dumped by your girlfriend when you thought the going was good who then comes back to raid your best cds! if he had just offered an apology and admitted what he d done it would have gone a long way to the swansea faithful forgiving him i was bitterly dissapointed at the time but ive moved on now. in the bigger picture his contribution was much bigger than the damage he did - infact it all turned out good in the end and i believe we are in a better position now than we would be if he had stayed. that helps the healing process a lot. in the fickle world of football we really need people to believe in - i believed in Martinez but now i believe in Rodgers ( i dont think i ever believed in Sousa!)
Jager - Martinez definitely had something to apologise for - he misled the fans into thinking he wouldnt walk away. something along the lines of `i know what i said and i meant it at the time but ive just had an offer that i cant turn down, sorry to go back on my word`would have gone a long way - unfortunately he didnt even recognise that and thats what pisses me off more than anything else.
My loyalties have never changed. I supported martinez when he was swans manager, like I supported Sousa whilst he was here. I now support Rodgers. When rodgers leaves , I will then support the next manager. I really don't support managers who have left as this takes a slice of my "support" , and I want all of it to be 100% Swansea. I won't boo martinez , but I won't applaud either , as I would not do to any other opposition manager. I respect Martinez for what he did for the Swans , Was dissapointed when he left , but can understand the reasons as we didn't have the money to do what he wanted to to take us to the next level. And the money we had for him and scotland and back room moves steadied the ship for two seasons. look where we are now. I am not saying it was down to martinez , but I am fairly confident we would not be in this position if he had stayed. So in Hindsight , I am glad he left.
My 2p worth on this matter is that whatever people's feelings I hope that the stadium does not resound with boos. The world is watching now we are in the premiership and they do not know or care what happened between the Swans and RM. So it will just reflect badly on us if the crowd stoop too low with a public show of hostility against him.
Martinez did not 'rip the heart' out of Swansea. I really wish people will stop saying that. It's overly dramatic and just not true. He took Scotland and Gomez who was not our player anyway. The backroom staff went too but that's not unusual in football. What grates with most Swans fans is that he said he wouldn't come back for players yet he was sniffing around for some time. He also told us fans that he would have to be forced out of the Club yet went behind everyone's back and had clearly been liaising with dopey Dave Whelan for some time. Nobody likes a sneak. But looking at the bigger picture he did build on what his predecessors brought to the Club and it was his tenure that really set us on the road to where we are now. We became known for our style of play under him. We were very successful under him. So, good and bad. I fully understand people who concentrate on the bad but I've now mellowed a bit and whereas I can't see myself wildly cheering him, he should be applauded for his contribution to our Club. Just my opinon.
Why the debate on whether to cheer or Boo an opposition manager, when we don't do either for all the others? Why not just cheer our current manager and players?
"Why the debate on whether to cheer or Boo an opposition manager, when we don't do either for all the others?" Because most of the others never had a connection with us? Look, for what it's worth I think most fans will be vitriolic against Martinez and boo him on Saturday. Doesn't mean I agree with it though. Witnessed it myself when Scotland played against us last. Part of the crowd applauded him and even got a chant going but others around me were loudly booing him when he came to take a throw in down by us. I was going mental! Just my personal view but I think that's kind of behaviour is just pathetic.
I am sorry that is incredibly naive, do you expect the guy to stay with us forever because of something he mentioned once ? He did nothing more than Brendan when he left Watford to Reading, there is no loyalty in football as 4 months down the line he was sacked! Looking back I can see he nothing to apologise for, including the tapping up by whelan , we got rewarded for that, without it and if he stayed we'd still be in the championship IMO
guys i told you at the time that why Martinez kept quiet on his future, he was adamant that he wanted to finish the job he started and he would not make any decisions until he had a meeting with huw. He came straight to the point that due to our poor results in the final push and no money to strengthen the squad for the next season, then like i said that Martinez confirmed today that he has took swansea as far as he could....If he was given money then he would have stayed to finish the job....He kept his word. no backing then he has done all he can and took the wigan job and i dont blame him one bit....he is an honorable man and it was the club that let him down.....
Martinez must be in awe of some bitter Swan fans & is well past whether he gets booed or cheered for his contribution to the rise of the team . Seriously , I don't think he gives a flying f__ k anymore & merely considers the source of the unrest & feels sorry for them .
See the usual suspects are claiming the inside track on all things Swans, yet time again they've been proved wrong on who is being bought, who is being sold, who's had a medical and who hasn't, that sort of thing.
i shall not boo him but will applaud him. when he left he didnt rip the clubs heart out he ripped the hearts out of us fans. everybody around the club loved him. he left us fans heart broken. he should be applauded. without him we wouldnt of been champions of league 1. wouldnt of been in the championship, without being in the championship we would not be in the PL. RM deserves atleast a bit of respect. just look where we are now. i got money on a 3-1 win come on you JACKS
Jager - that may be naive in todays football world and like you say theres very little loyalty - however its very simple; if you make a commitment people are going to take you at face value (hence all the fans mightily disillusioned at the end) - if you break it, apologise and we can all move on. if you dont mean it or have the sense to realise that down the line you cant keep it then dont say it in the first place. Brendan may well have done something similar but im pretty sure he didnt make public declarations that he wouldnt go unless he was pushed. its going to sound dramatic but its the very lack of loyalty and integrity in football that demands that a lot of footballers and managers have a good look at themselves and start to put it right.
So you want Martinez to say sorry, can I ask what should he exactly apologise for ? For the life of me I can't see any reason, please don't say that he should apologise for saying he would have to be pushed to leave, because I feel that way about my job right now, but if I was offered a job with treble my salary it would be goodbye ! Do you think I should apologise if it happened ? And what commitment exactly did Martinez make, to do his job to his abilities perhaps ? Do you think he was negligent in that? The problem with certain swans fans is that they can't move on, yes he said what he said, did he believe them at the time? I would say yes! And let's face it, trundle left just before the start of a season he did the dirty on us, was he treated with contempt by swans fans ? He left us in a hell of a position, and had none of the crap levied at Martinez ! Martinez is just a former manager of the club and should be treated the same way as jackett another former manager of the swans
i agree with jager on this, martinez has got nothing to apologise for and when someone mentioned his commitment to the club then im sorry commitment works both ways and when martinez wanted to take the club further the club would not or even could not commit to him. He would never disrespect the club and did the right thing in saying nothing to anyone before he knew where he stood about doing his job and commitment to the club. The meeting obviously did not go well and as he had took the swans as far as he could then what is he suppose to do. he knew he had a job to go to at wigan, but if the club ad backed him at the time then he would have stayed to finish the job he started and wanted to do....now today we have reached our goal and made the premiership and a lot of credit has to go to martinez for the work he did when he was here, For fans to show disrespect today towards martinez is very wrong and shows lack of thought why he took the wigan job in the first place.......he took the club as far as he could and without backing then he had no choice but to move on......................AS BRENDAN HAS SAID>>>>LETS GIVE MARTINEZ A WARM WELCOME.......then whoop his arse on the pitch....
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2011/08/18/brendan-rodgers-calls-for-positive-roberto-martinez-reception-91466-29261006/ Brendan doesn't want us to boo , but just support the swans. Good enough for me. Who out there is going to go against our masters wishes !!
