Probably nothing will change until it causes civil unrest, and in some towns people are already in vigilante mode, not something i condone by the way. Whether pre or post brexit, we can only but hope. Change may well not solve the problem, only the next two years will be our history in the making for the future on that, but something has/had to change. But this does not just apply to the UK but other nations too, some already being threatened by the EU over quota's. At the moment I see Italy as the next big step to change, they've got absolutely nothing to lose in my opinion, 430 billion in debt, problems with migrants on the streets, same story across the EU. It's like a ticking time bomb, it's just who is going to release the safety pin first. Seriously I've got nothing against Europe, but the EU was not prepared to change it's stance and it's still not prepared to change it's stance with other Nations, so eventually it will all collapse like a pack of cards unless the powers that be start listening. I used Merkel as an example earlier, not because she is German but she reminds me of Thatcher, everything going her way, the figure head of Europe, but then they get too powerful and stop listening, and when you stop listening to discord it will eventually seal your fate. After all Cameron chanced his luck and it blew his face off.
It was Thatcher who wanted to bring in ID cards until it was pointed out how much it would cost. The scheme that is being proposed for EU nationals doesn't work unless everyone who has a right to live in the country has papers/cards to prove who they are. The current PM should also start to listen. She had her strong and stable mantra rejected at the election, her majority was removed, yet she is carrying on as though nothing has happened. You are right, stop listening and you get removed. That will be her fate unless she changes course quickly.
The idea of German dominance is something which is constantly reiterated by the media in the UK. so it is reasonable to presume that it has an influence on peoples votes. Actually the Germans make up 16% of the population of the EU. They have exactly this percentage of votes in the European Parliament and are underrepresented in the EU. commission - making up only 10% of the EC. technical staff. The only area where Germany is overrepresented is in paying to the EU. budget - their economic output is 20.7% of the entire EU. but their budget share reaches 21.4%. In contrast the UK. produces 16% of the GDP of the EU. but only pays 12.6% of the budget. I am sure that nobody in the UK. is going to complain about this state of affairs. Where Germany is a problem lies in the fact that their economy is heavily imbalanced towards exports - consequently they have little internal spending power - they also profit from a weak Euro. The other problem is that Angela Merkel has been in power for too long - which gives her too much respect within EU. circles. This last point is something which we will be trying to correct in the elections in September.
Trouble is ID cards are a double edged sword for me, because I'm actually against them, a lot to do with my freedom beliefs, but yes they would help towards solving a current problem if people were made to show them on request, ie you have to carry them with you. But as i said this all infringes on my liberty beliefs, many of which we already overstep the mark. The future on the liberty front does not bode well, but hopefully i will be long dead before that day and the future children can fight what ever cause they want on that one. As for May, I always felt she was on to a loser, people are going to be back stabbing her left right and centre, so in some sense I want her to do a Corbyn and stand up for herself and fight back. My view is Cameron should have seen this through until the end, after all it was in the manifesto, why have it there if you are not going to respect the democratic vote and the manifesto to the end. He took the cowards way out, what did he have to lose, he's got his trough, much the same as Blair got his, The Establishment runs deep and is rotten to the core.
Curious how, generally, we all worked for the good of the country in our own ways irrespective of the obvious divisive points, until that is the EU referendum came along, after that all I see is that it is fair game to insult and belittle people who hold different views from your own. I certainly did not expect the outcome we got from the referendum and I am surprised the EU didn't order a rerun, but it is up to all of us to make a success of the cards we have been dealt. Something certain members of our community are not doing.
Oh come on Zen. Moaning is the national religion....we do it about the weather, football, public services.....why not about an important referendum ? The problem is that normally governments call referendums on changes which they want to push through - meaning that the worst case scenario for them would be a return to the status quo. This one was different and was 'decided' (if that is the best word) by a slender majority based on only 70% of the electorate actually voting in which many (myself included) were denied a vote - it was also decided against the wishes of 2 of the constituent nations of the UK. And that all in a referendum which was not, legally, binding, Another problem was that although the British decided to go on a journey (ie. to leave) there was no consensus as to the destination.
70 per cent of respondents to a survey of UK people said they were for the free movement of EU citizens who can live, work, study and do business anywhere in the EU. This is confusing when you think it is a two way thing, with movement both ways. There is a clear difference of opinion in Westminster as to what is best for the countries, and while the debate goes on there, it will create debate from the population as a whole. There is little reason to stop debate here if people wish to express their views, but it can be done in a polite manner where different ideas of what could be are explored. The last election showed how politicians repeating the same slogans again and again became a laughing matter, and we watched as the electorate rejected that. I suspect that some wanted to hear proper arguments with decent evidence to back that argument up.
I assume your figures are correct but this does not explain the overrepresented influence that Germany has over the other EU members. Whether Brexit is to blame or not there does seem to be mounting opposition from many quarters challenging the eurocrats, which can only be a good thing. The UK is leaving the EU and the EU's negotiating team have said repeatedly that a 'soft Brexit' is not attainable. The UK's red lines must be: full control of its own borders, no interference from the ECJ after we leave, and no stupid demands for excessive ransom cash. Everything else can be negotiated.
The last election, which the Tories clearly won, was influenced by downright lies told by the Labour main figures on student debts. They exploited the UK young as vulnerable, impressionable fools which frankly many were. They also promised many unaffordable goodies knowing full well they could not deliver these if in power.
SH. can you tell me exactly what you mean by 'Full control of its own borders'. We hear this a lot but I want to know what it actually means in practice. All passports are controlled coming into the UK. and known criminals can be refused entry. So what changes do you propose for visitors from the EU. which go further than this ? Do you propose a visa system (which would ruin the British tourist industry) or do you propose stamping passports on entry and preventing access to the job market (which sounds like a measure destined to increase the number of illegal, casual workers in the UK.). The UK. already has over a million illegal immigrants which 'controlled borders' have failed to stop.
The fools are the ones who believed what was written on the side of the brexit bus and were swayed by the lying self interested rags such as the mail, express and murdoch's gutter level press. Talk about lies, nazinige knew the bus was lying and yet complicit in his silence. No ukip mp's anymore either, not a bad thing. Now we have a weak and wobbly PM propped up by a bunch of religious bigots every bit as insane as the muppets in control at the White House. Well that's brilliant.
1) The Tories did not clearly win on any account... 2) Corbyn has been represented on the student debt issue, mainly be the media I guess you choose to follow Even the Express has to quote his exact wording http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...n-student-debt-promise-Andrew-Marr-BBC-u-turn Perhaps we can not go back to your divisive and supremacist posturing please...... things have been very peaceful here recently
Influenced in part probably, but that is a simplistic viewpoint of what was happening. For a start the Tories had not had a majority in Westminster since John Major was the PM until Cameron won the small one that May has now squandered. This suggests that for years the Tory party has not commanded the confidence of a large part of the population. There were also things such as vote swap going on designed to reduce the power of the PM. How successful that was we will never know, but it did happen. The Labour Party was so far behind only a couple of months before the election they should have disappeared from sight, Research since shows that they were seen as the soft brexit party and attracted votes because of it. Seeing as the Tories were trying to get a mandate for their negotiations with the EU they failed, and it is little wonder that some of the cabinet are trying to use the chance to move the whole debate to a different playing field. The days of the Tories being seen as the natural party of government disappeared years ago, but the Labour party still have a lot of convincing to do.
The Tories clearly had the largest number of seats and the most votes. Corbyn and McDonnell trotted out all kinds of unfunded promises to be elected, thankfully they failed for the third election in a row. Maybe the gullible young will have learnt not to trust these opportunists. Any kind of disagreement to your wishy washy views seem to be unacceptable to you. This is a political forum where people often disagree as highlighted today.
'Full control of borders' is simply a term describing the UK having the sole ability to decide how many and the terms on entry into the country. Currently this is controlled by Brussels. Other EU nations are now seeking similar member controls, it was a massive mistake not to give Cameron some leeway.
The Tories have been the most popular UK political party for the last seven years plus remain the preferred party to rule for the next five years. The Labour Party were annihilated in the local elections prior to the general elections, which made them turn to fanciful promises in their desperation. Theresa May was correct to address the care issue and some over generous pensioner benefits but was poorly advised on the timing. The Lib Dems stagnated, their useless leader and pro EU stance did them no favours with the electorate. Their call for another Brexit vote was extremely unpopular.
