You said: "The most "hunting in general" I will do if the odd bit of duck/goose pheasant shooting when either myself or friends fancy it to eat fresh (it's 100x nicer then frozen store bought) 95% of what I do is planned culling or control." Was that a mistake to say you shot ducks and geese as part of planned culling or control?
Why the **** would anyone want to kill a Lion if it isn't trying to kill them? Why kill a Giraffe? Why the **** would anyone want to do that? It's a simple question.
I've already made it perfectly clear (at least I thought I had), that morally I don't have an issue with any animal being killed to be eaten, or even being killed for sport if there's millions of them, my only objection is to big game hunting, where animals that are very low in numbers are being shot for no good reason.
I don't know what farm you worked on, but if you were torturing the livestock I suspect you weren't there long.
I didn't work on a farm, I worked in an abattoir when I was 15. Does deliberately impregnating cows, herding livestock into cramped conditions and over inducing chickens into laying eggs not constitute torture in your eyes? I was just the bloke that got rid of the organs and cleaned up, I didn't take part in any killing of animals, but I saw it. It isn't a walk in the park.
Okay, so if I want a dolphin sandwich, that's alright? What about a giraffe burger? Neither are endangered species. Not according to the wildlife federation anyway.
How is impregnating a cow torture? In a 30 acre field, cows will often all sit in a tight group. Are they the cramped conditions you're talking about? How is a chicken laying an egg torture, other than the obvious pushing an egg out?
It's just about killing animals within reason. You can have a beef burger. Why would want a Giraffe burger?
I can't imagine dolphin tastes all that nice, so it wouldn't appeal to me personally, though the same applies to squid and octupus and I ****ing hate abalone. The new red list found the giraffe population had plummeted from about 157,000 to 97,500 in the last 30 years and the species had jumped two IUCN categories from “least concern” to now “vulnerable”. As the human population in Africa rises, habitat loss from farming and deforestation, illegal hunting and the impact of civil wars are all pushing the creature towards extinction. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/08/giraffe-red-list-vulnerable-species-extinction
You've obviously not seen how it's done. In a 30 acre field, cows are free to roam all 30 acres. In a shed, they can barely move at all. Presumably the people living in cages in Hong Kong are at home because they're used to the cramped conditions on the subway? And chickens laying eggs is perfectly natural. Except they're supposed to lay a few eggs a year. Not the 100 odd they end up doing on egg farms.
It's not usually cramped on the Hong Kong MTR, it's absolute luxury compared to the London Underground.
But then what's the reason? Is it because we're conditioned to think that chickens, cows et al don't matter because that's the way it's supposed to be? Where does the value of life come from? Why is a giraffe's life more valuable than a pigs? Or a dog's life more valuable than a cow's? I wouldn't want a giraffe burger either, I imagine they're pretty gamey and not at all suitable for burger making. Interestingly, also on the endangered list are two types of tuna. So why are we still farming tuna?
Over twenty five years experience in the beef industry. Grew up on a farm. Chickens lay an egg a day during the warm months. You don't know what you're talking about.
The caged housing is ****ed up though. Did you see any of it when you were there? Apparently it's $115 a month to sleep in one.
